Hate speech against Shia Muslims in Express Tribune by Professor Saleem Ali of University of Vermont

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Shia-Sunni reconciliation – The Express Tribune

Published: December 8, 2011


The writer is professor of environmental planning and Asian Studies at the University of Vermont, US. He can be followed on Twitter @saleem_ali

Muharram is a time for reflection on many accounts. It is the start of the Islamic new year and also a time of remembrance and renewal. Unlike most other faith traditions, the start of the new year for Muslims is sombre and even melancholic in tone. The martyrdom of Imam Husain was a tragedy by any standard but let us also reflect on how this historic event has been distorted at the behest of culture to take on new heights of absurdity and masochism. It is high time Shia scholars address the malaise that has struck Muharram processions and the educated elite should not remain silent just because Shias have sadly been a persecuted minority in Pakistan.

Drunken horses being paraded through streets, with mobs of men, high on testosterone (and God knows what else), bleeding themselves to unconsciousness, is an utterly embarrassing spectacle. I dare say the Holy Prophet (pbuh) would not have wanted his sacrifice to be remembered with such utter lunacy. The same expression of sorrow can be shown in more civilised terms through prayer and reflection. Even if there is to be a procession, it can be undertaken with a certain degree of composure and respect for the spirit of the occasion. Indeed, in Iran, the headquarters of Shia tradition, using knives or chains (tatbir or qama zani) for maatam is strictly regulated. The origins of this practice in its current form can be traced to the Safavid period in the 16th century and is thus a relatively recent cultural corrosion.

Of particular note was the ritualistic invective (tabarra) that evolved during this period, which was hurled on those companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who Shias consider to be ‘enemies’ of inherited succession, such as Hazrat Umar (RA) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA). Much of the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan can be traced back to the issue of whether or not these companions are to be respected or abused. It is high time that both Shias and Sunnis agree on mutual respect. Even if there is disagreement over history, we can move beyond such provocative displays of disfavour for each other.

Thankfully, there have been some mainstream ulema who have tried to build bridges between Shias and Sunnis within a theological and historical context. For example, Maulana Ishaq’s sermons on Shia-Sunni unity (given in Urdu), which have hundreds of thousands of hits on YouTube, are heartening. They discourage Shias from hurling abuse but also admonish Sunnis from being emotional about respect and adoration for the sahaba, which translates into the kind of madness we saw exhibited in the Kabul suicide blasts this past week. At the same time, such unity should not come at the cost of framing the issue in terms of an adversarial relationship with non-Muslims (which is what has also happened in some of the recent displays of ostensible amity among the various madrassa ulema).

At the end of the day, what we need is a major pan-Islamic reconciliation process between sects, particularly Shias and Sunnis. Hate speech laws must also be clearly enforced to prevent incendiary information from spreading. Whether it is the acerbic strife between the Hazara and the Pakhtuns or the insanity of Shia-Sunni violence in Iraq, there needs to be a pact for peace from the grass roots. Peace education is also desperately needed in Islamic schools — clear lessons on how to deal with dissent without getting violent. The work of Palestinian scholar Dr Mohammed Abu Nimr, on non-violent approaches to dissent within Islamic societies, may also be particularly helpful in improving ways in which Muslims improve their relations with those of other faiths.

Let us hope that the tragic events in Kabul this past week will galvanise Pakistanis to work just as hard in resolving Shia-Sunni differences, rather than being complacent about a ‘peaceful’ Muharram on this side of the border.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 9th, 2011.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/303597/shia-sunni-reconciliation/

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Translation of Saleem Ali’s article (in Roman Urdu) – by Marya Mushtaq

Shia-Sunni Mafahimat

Muharram ka maheena kaye jihaat se tafakur aur nazar-e-saani ka waqt hai. Yeh na sirf nayey islami saal ka aaghaz, balkay yaad aur tajdeed ka bhi waqt hai. Deegar mazahib ke bar-aks, Musalmanon ke liye un ke naye saal ka aaghaz intehai maghmoom balkay malekholiayi andaaz mein hota hai. Imam Hussain ki shahadat kisi bhi meezaan par tola jaye tau aik alamiya rahayga, magar humein chahye ke ghor karain ke kaisay is tareekhi waqaiye ko tehzeeb/culture ke naam par maskh kar ke beyhoodgi aur takleef se lazzat hasil karnay ki mairaaj par pohonch diya gaya hai. Waqt aan pohoncha hai ke Shia Ulema is maraz ka sad-e-baab karain ke jis ne Muharram ke jalooson ko jakar rakha hai, aur taleem yafta tabqaat faqat is liye khamosh na rahain kyun ke Shia Pakistan mein badqismati se aik sitam-raseeda aqliat ke toar rahay hain.

Nashay mein dhuth ghoron ka galion mein parade karwana, aur apnay mardana faotay (testosterone) aur na janay kin kin cheezon ke nashay mein makhmoor mardon ka apna khoon baha kar beyhosh ho jana intehai sharamnaak manazir hain. Mein yaqeen se keh sakta hoon ke Rasool-e-Akram (saw) ne kabhi na chaha hoga ke unki qurbani ko is darja pagalpan se yaad kiya jaye. Gham ke izhaar ke liye ibadat aur taffakur jesay mohazzab zaraye bhi istemal kiye ja saktay hain. Agar jaloos ki zaroorat ko tasleem bhi kar liya jaye, tau us mein ehteraam aur hosh ke pehluon, aur moqay ki munasibat aur us k nafs ko mad-e-nazar rakhna chahye, jesa k Shion ke headquarter Iran mein zanjeer-zani aur qama-zani ke mamlay mein sakhti barti hai. Is rasm ki maujooda shakal ki jarrein Solhween (16th) Saddi k Safavi doar mein milti hain jis se sabit hota hai key yeh aik nisbatan jaded tehzeebi kharabi hai.

Isi doar ki sab se ehem aur talib-e-tawajjo pesh-raft tabbarra (rasman sab-o-shittam) ki thi jis mein Rasool-e-Akram (saw) ke un As-haab, jesay ke Hazrat Abu Bakar aur Hazrat Umar, ko nishana banaya jata tha jinko shia ‘khandani hakoomat’ ke dushman samajhtay hain. Shia aur Sunnion ke mabayn baishtar firqawarana pur tashaddud waqiyaat ki wajah yahi rahi hai ke aya yeh as-haab qabil e izzat hain ya laiq-e-sab-o-shitam. Waqt aan pohoncha hai ke Shia aur Sunni donon bahami ehteraam par raazi ho jayein. Agar tareekh par razamandi mumkin nahi bhi hai, tau kam az kam aisi ishte’aal angaizi se tau aagay barha ja sakta hai.

Shukar hai ke kuch aisay naamwar ulema maujood hain jinhon ne Shia aur Sunni ke beech ki nafraton ko mazhabi aur tareekhi pas manzir mein dekhtay huey kam karny ki koshish ki hai. Misaal ke toar par, Maulana Ishaaq ke Shia-Sunni Ittehad par urdu mein khutbaab jin ko YouTube par laakhon baar suna ja chukka hai, dil-khush-kun hain. Woh na sirf Shion ko Sahaba par sab-o-shitam karnay se mana’ kartay hain balkay Sunnion par bhi Sahaba ke baray mein jazbaati aur had se zyada lagao par tanqeed kartay hain jo us pagalpan ke had tak bhi pohonch saktay hain jesa ke hum ne haal he mein Kabul mein dhamakay ki soorat mein dekha. Is ke saath saath, is ittehaad ki bunyaad ghair-muslimon se dushmani ko nahi banana chahye jesa ke haal he mein hum ne mukhtalif madraris ke ulema ko dikhaway ki dosti ka izhar kartay huey dekha.

Akhir mein yeh kehna chahoonga ke humein aik bayn-ul-mazahibi Islami mafahmati amal ki zaroorat hai, jis mein ke tamam firqay, bil-khasoos Shia aur Sunni shamil hon. Aisay qawaneen ko bhi wazeh toar par nafiz kiya jana chahye jis se nafrat phailanay walay mawaad ko roka ja sakay. Chahay yeh Hazara aur Pakhtun ke beech ki talkhi ho, ya Iraq mein Shia aur Sunni ke beech pur-tashadud pagalpan, humein aman ke liye bunyaadi satah ke aik mu’ahiday ki zaroorat hai. Islami schoolon mein aman ki taleem ki bhi shaded zaroorat hai ta ke bachon ko wazeh tor par sikhaya ja sakay ke tashaddud ki taraf ruju kiye baghair ikhtilaaf se kaisay nimta ja sakta hai. Doosray mazahib ke afraad ke saath Musalmanon ke ta’luqat behtar banana ke liye Falastini aalim Dr. Muhammad Abu Nimr kay kaam se bhi istefada kiya ja sakta hai jo unhon ne isi mozoo par kiya hai ke Islami mu’ashiron mein adam-tashaddud ikhtiyar kartay huey ikhtilaf ka izhar kaisay kiya ja sakta hai.

Aayein umeed karain ke pichlay hafta Kabul mein honay walay jesay pur-alam waqiyaat Pakistanion ko ehsaas dilaye gi ke woh bajaye sarhad ke is taraf pur-aman Muharram par khush honay ke bajaye Shia-Sunni ikhtilaafat ko khatam karain.

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Appendix: The outcome of hate speech against Shia Muslims

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) Chief Malik Ishaq uses Saleem Ali’s arguments to incite hatred against Shia Muslims

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Blood of Shia Muslims flows freely in Pakistan
By Amir Mir
(Asia Times)

ISLAMABAD – The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ – Army of Jhangvi), a Pakistan-based, al-Qaeda-linked, anti-United States, Sunni Deobandi sectarian-turned-jihadi group, has let loose a reign of terror against the Shi’ite minority.

In its latest attack, the LeJ on Tuesday killed 13 Shi’ites traveling on a bus to work in Quetta, the provincial capital of Balochistan province. The attackers forced the Shi’ites off the bus, made them stand in a line and then opened fire.

This followed the July 14 release of Malik Mohammad Ishaq, one of the founding members of the LeJ, which has already claimed responsibility for the September 20 cold-blooded execution-style killing of 29 Shi’ite pilgrims of the Hazara community in the Mastung area of Balochistan. All those killed were on their way to Iran from Quetta. Armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket launchers, the attackers stopped the bus and forced the pilgrims to get off. While women and children were spared, they were made to witness the execution of their dear ones who were lined up and sprayed with bullets.

It was the deadliest attack on the Shi’ite community in Pakistan since September 4, 2010, when a suicide bomber killed 57 people at a procession in Quetta. The Mastung attack is not an isolated incident, but part of a systematic campaign of violence directed towards the Shi’ite community. Over 400 Shi’ite Hazaras have been killed in Balochistan by the LeJ since 1999.

The Hazaras are Persian-speakers who mainly live in central Afghanistan. They are overwhelmingly Shi’ites and comprise the third-largest ethnic group of Afghanistan. Over half a million Hazaras live in Pakistan, especially in the Quetta district.

They are the frequent target of attacks in Afghanistan as well as in Pakistan by anti-Shi’ite Sunni Deobandi sectarian-cum-militant groups like the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban – TTP) and the LeJ, which suspect them of assisting and aiding US intelligence agencies in their hunt for the fugitive leaders of al-Qaeda and the Taliban, believed to be hiding in Pakistan.

One would recall the massacre of the Hazaras in Afghanistan after the Afghan Taliban led by Mullah Omar took power in Kabul in September 1996 and allowed the LeJ to operate in Pakistan from sanctuaries in Afghan territory.

While claiming responsibility for killing the 29 pilgrims in Mastung, a spokesman of the LeJ, said: “Our activists will continue to target the Shi’ite community.” The massacre was carried out amid the usual hate speech and wall-chalking, branding Shi’ites as apostate and worthy to be killed.

A few weeks before the massacre, the LeJ had circulated an open letter addressed to Hazaras in Quetta. Written in the Urdu language, the letter stated:

All Shi’ites are worthy of killing. We will rid Pakistan of unclean people. Pakistan means land of the pure and the Shi’ites have no right to live in this country. We have the edict and signatures of revered scholars, declaring Shi’ites infidels. Just as our fighters have waged a successful jihad against the Shi’ite Hazaras in Afghanistan, our mission in Pakistan is the abolition of this impure sect and its followers from every city, every village and every nook and corner of Pakistan.

Like in the past, our successful jihad against the Hazaras in Pakistan and, in particular, in Quetta, is ongoing and will continue in the future. We will make Pakistan the graveyard of the Shi’ite Hazaras and their houses will be destroyed by bombs and suicide bombers. We will only rest when we will be able to fly the flag of true Islam on this land of the pure. Jihad against the Shi’ite Hazaras has now become our duty.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MJ05Df01.html

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Two exclusive videos of Shia massacre which were blacked out by Pakistani media


Recently two videos have been released showing the slaughter of Shia Muslims at the hands of the ISI-SCP backed Sipah-e-Sahaba/Lashkar-e-Jhangvi terrorists.

Video 1: Mastung Massacre

The first video of the Mastung massacre (September 2011) has been released by the SSP-LeJ media cell in which ISI-SSP produced Jihadi songs have been used as  a background music to the execution-style murder of 27 Shia Hazaras in Mastung, Balochistan.

This is an incredibly horrifying video of LeJ-SSP terrorists (extremist Deobandis brainwashed by Saudi-ISI Jihad Enterprise) murdering Shia travellers, which would leave your heart in pain. Discretion is advised.

Update: Only yesterday, 1 December 2011, yet another Shia (a Kurd Baloch) namely Gohar Aziz Kurd S/o Mukhtiar Aziz, aged 20 year was killed in the Mastung market by ISI-backed LeJ-SSP terrorists. This news too was blacked out by ISI-influenced Pakistani media.

Video 2: Karachi Scouts Massacre

The second video of three Shia scouts’ massacre in Karachi is based on a CCTV footage released by Huriyat News. In this video, the connivance of Pakistan’s security forces (army rangers) with SSP-LeJ terrorists can be clearly seen. This video too was completely blacked out by both right wing and urban fake liberal affiliates of Pakistani establishment.

Exclusive CCTV Footage of Numaish Incident Karachi

http://criticalppp.com/archives/64548

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Suggested response: Email (Update: No further emails are required.)

Dear all, Protest against Saleem Ali’s hate speech through email to his University, Express Tribune, Government of Pakistan and human rights organizations: (Update: No further emails are required.)

Dear Sir or Madam,

We would like to bring to your attention that a highly inflammatory, hate inciting article titled “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” has been published by Pakistan’s daily newspaper Express Tribune. The article has been published in Express Tribune’s Print and Online additions.

The article has been written by Saleem Ali. We wish to highlight that what Saleem Ali has written in his highly provocative article is blatant hate speech against Pakistan’s Shia Muslims. Professor Ali has insulted Shia Islam’s religious rituals, describing them as deviant from pure, true Islam. He has presented and used exactly the same stereotypical and hate based arguments against Shia Muslims which are currently used by Saudi-inspired Wahhabi-Salafi-Deobandi extremists affiliated with terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) / Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) in their routine massacres of Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

According to an estimate, more than 1000 Shia Muslims have been target killed in Pakistan in the last three years by puritanical religious fanatics who consider Shia Muslims’ Muharram / Ashura rituals as un-Islamic and treat Shia Muslims as heretic, polytheists and agents of Jews. Only three days ago, LeJ terrorists based in Pakistan killed 60 Shia Muslim in Afghanistan (Kabul and Mazar-e-Sharif) by attacking Shia Muslims’ Muharram/Ashura rituals.

By writing a hate article against an already persecuted and target killed community, Professor Ali has reinforced and enabled further stereotyping, persecution and massacres of Shia Muslims in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He has also provided further ideological and hate based ammunition to LeJ-Taliban terrorists who are currently attacking Afghan, US and NATO security forces in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

In case of any further Shia killings, the blood of the innocent people will be on Porfessor Ali’s hands too. The ethical responsibility of Professor Ali’s parent institution (University of Vermont) and the Express Tribune’s editors too is in question.

We hope that you will investigate the matter thoroughly and urgently, and take appropriate action as per ethical conduct of your respective institution.

With regards,

Name:
Location:
Date:
A concerned citizen and a proponent of human rights.

Relevant readings:

Shia killings in Pakistan: An incurable disease? – by Murtaza Haider
http://criticalppp.com/archives/58889

Blood of Shia Muslims flows freely in Pakistan – by Amir Mir
http://criticalppp.com/archives/58986

HRW urges Pakistan to protect Shia Muslims
http://criticalppp.com/archives/64790

Muharram, a holiday? Living as a Shia in today’s Pakistan
http://criticalppp.com/archives/64724

Shia genocide in Pakistan
http://criticalppp.com/archives/tag/shia-genocide

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Update: Express Tribune has now retracted the hate article and published an apology. However, the article cannot be retracted from the print edition. Furthermore, Professor Saleem Ali remains adamant at his principled stance on his right to write and spread hate speech in his selective take on cultural rituals and in his Salafi Jihadi zeal to separate the pure religion of Islam from the impure cultural rituals. Therefore, it is still important to send emails to his university and human rights groups.

Update 2: There is a renewed context to suggest that Saleem Ali  has learnt from this episode and that he is also sympathetic to Shia genocide at the hands of the ASWJ-Taliban militants (which we insist is State-sponsored, not a Sunni-Shia sectarian or Hazara specific ethnic issue.) We request our readers to stop sending any emails to Saleem Ali or his university.

We are keeping this page as historical narrative but don’t want Saleem Ali to get nasty emails because of this web page.

68 Responses to “Hate speech against Shia Muslims in Express Tribune by Professor Saleem Ali of University of Vermont”

  1. @Laibaah1 Laibaah
    In the meanwhile, let’s congratulate Abbas Nasir, Arif Rafiq, Samad Khurram, Urooj Zia and Gibran Peshimam on supporting Saleem Ali Jhangvi.

    There are some fake liberals who (politically) corrected their anti-Shia stance after their initial support to Saleem Ali Jhangvi.

    pakistanpolicy Arif Rafiq
    @mazdaki So members of the left are now engaging in lobbing ad hominems & using bully tactics just like the right. @saleem_ali

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    Now? RT @pakistanpolicy: So members of the left are now engaging in lobbing ad hominems & using bully tactics just like the right

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @pakistanpolicy I remain a productive member of society by not interfering with the productiveness of others. Society wins by my sloth.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    Er, sorry but I don’t see why the Saleem Ali piece has aroused so much offense. Comparing it to LeJ literature? That’s extreme exaggeration

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    Judging by comments, some people seem to have really taken offense to Saleem Ali oped in ET on Shia Sunni “reconciliation”

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    For a more sensitized column that doesn’t ask Shias to tone down or do more, please see Javed Chaudhry in Express http://t.co/scY5mJdJ

    Sidra_Rizvi Sidra Rizvi
    with this piece…… Javed chaudry please go to hell http://t.co/E2S6EHHr oh n while you are on your way please take Saleem Ali with you..

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    On 10th of Muharram, Javed Chaudhry had a special guest in his talk show: Hanif Qureshi of LeJ-SSP: youtu.be/2cgzar4wPKs

    abbasnasir59 Abbas Nasir
    @Darveshh I read it. Makes perfect sense. Well-argued. Sadly faith, rituals r often confused; ‘Divine’ right leaves little room for reason

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @abbasnasir59 Ok, we will wait for your piece. Saleem Ali called all of Shias lunatics, U might go further calling them bastards! @Darveshh

    GreenAdMedia Irfan – TheMQC.net
    @saleem_ali I think your article raised some very valid points. What is sad is that our shia brethren has misinterpreted it big time.

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @saleem_ali Will wait for it. :-) I get the crux of your argument; disagree with the method used.

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @iamabbasraza I know @omar_quraishi and he’s NOT a bigot. Ironic how such accusations are thrown around blindly by PTI supporters.

    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    @UroojZia @omar_quraishi he published Ali saleem so much hate n he is not bigot . leave PTI out of dis

    aamir_khan82 Aamir Nawaz Khan
    @mirpurian2022 yar visit at etribune site wahan front page pe shia sunni reconiliation k naam se aa rha hoga

    @aamir_khan82 Aamir Nawaz Khan
    @mirpurian2022 yar is bandey ki himmat check kar. Maan gaya ustad isko :)

    aamir_khan82 Aamir Nawaz Khan
    @HRazaPK I think what @saleem_ali mentioned in his blog is nt blasphemous. These are some hidden n bitter realities

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    @gibranp best is that ali dayan hasan is a shia murder apologist member of LeJ. essentially everyone except anon twitters @SamadK

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    @gibranp oh that lot calls everyone jhangvi and LeJ member (cafe jhangvi for cafe pyala eg). I’m a active LeJ activist acc to Laibaah too

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    @gibranp i don’t think it will lead to (more) Shia murders but who called it LeJ literature?

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    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @SamadK @shahidsaeed haha. gee, things sure get testy around here.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @shahidsaeed I still maintain that the piece isn’t that offensive, honestly. Is feel he isn’t in control of his semantics, that’s all.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @shahidsaeed quite a few crazies. Were calling the author saleem ali jhangvi.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    Yea, I didn’t think there’d be a response to that. Ironic that hate is openly being spread by those who complain of the same thing.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @AbdulNishapuri Conversely, my friend, it is this sort of hypersensitivity that leads to blasphemy-related murders @Nadir_Hassan

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @Nadir_Hassan precisely. So while it ought to be deemed offensive, perhaps not called hate literature.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @AbdulNishapuri you seriously think this piece incites people to murder? @Nadir_Hassan

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    I mean I’m not defending it or anything – but LeJ? Seriously?

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    @AbdulNishapuri I fail to see what my religious beliefs have to do with agency of the oppressed.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    I mean, it’s sanctimonious, and self-righteous in the liberal-conservative sense, but certainly not sectarian.

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    Er, sorry but I don’t see why the Saleem Ali piece has aroused so much offense. Comparing it to LeJ literature? That’s extreme exaggeration

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    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @gibranp @shahidsaeed They accused a shia today of being anti-shia and similar to malik ishaq: bit.ly/vq2jTW [@AbdulNishapuri -Every sane voice has condemned etribune and Saleem Ali except a few Abbas Nasir and Malik Ishaq types.]

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @gibranp I’ve been called member of ISI, LeT, LeJ, Jaish, SSP, TTP, AQ, Taliban and of every other militant outfit by them. @shahidsaeed

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @SamadK I am not engaging with you anyway, Go defend LeJ now. Shabash!

    gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    “@saleem_ali: @NasimZehra If rituals had not been criticized, misogyny would persist. Ultrasensitivity is what gave us rash blasphemy laws”

    AnjumKiani anjum kiani
    @saleem_ali although your intentions were pure in your articles, you may not have realised who jumpy& nitpicky #Pakistan #fakeliberals are?

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    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @
    @iamabbasraza I said, ‘Go away.’ It means that I want you to go away, not continue tagging me in idiocy. GO. AWAY.
    9 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @iamabbasraza Go away. @omar_quraishi

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @iamabbasraza I don’t talk to people who tYp3 LyK d1z. Bye.

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @iamabbasraza I know @omar_quraishi and he’s NOT a bigot. Ironic how such accusations are thrown around blindly by PTI supporters.

    mightyobvious Mighty
    @SamadK @UroojZia @abbasnasir59 @gibranp are gud ppl trying to justify right thing at wrong time FoSpeech debate will continue, just not now

  2. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    There is absolutely no hate speech in my article @omar_quraishi You will set bad precedent if you succumb to this Twitter bullying
    9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @tammyhaq Cause is cultural change: rituals that perpetuate divisive views of history need reform: #Shia rights noted clearly in article
    15 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Surprised also that when I criticized #Saudis with equal vigor, no one accused me of being offensive: bit.ly/qyKq9s @tammyhaq
    53 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @tammyhaq If we did not show courage to criticize negative cultural trad. for fear of offense, we would still be stuck with misogyny in West
    43 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    #Pakistan wants to be a free society: it’s vanguards need to know that the right to offend with cause is also a fundamental right @tammyhaq
    4 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @abidhussayn When a ritual is offensive and demeans civility there is no choice but to criticize it. I would do the same for #Sunni rituals
    8 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @abidhussayn Report me for what? For willing to talk about the roots of Shia-Sunni conflict and try to change culture on both sides?
    27 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @atnussan The outrage you refer to is asymmetric. We need to be willing to criticize cultural practices — Shia or Sunni: Black or White

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    I have attended many #Muharram processions in PK @iamabbasraza: @saleem_ali @airtiza @Darveshh Anyhow time to sign off in peace
    6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Before judging me @FarriRizvi, read my book on radicalization of #Sunni madrassas: I can send you a free copy! bit.ly/u4sE90
    12 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Dear @airtiza @Darveshh Sometimes the only way for change is shock language: rituals that are offensive need to change for all religions
    15 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @RiazToori @abidifactor Indeed I have written a whole book on problems of radicalization in #Sunni madrassas too: bit.ly/u4sE90
    18 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Reconciliation can only occur if both sides acknowledge problems with their cultures — Shias and Sunnis @Sam_Schulman @abidifactor
    22 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @RiazToori The entire second part of my article is focused on reducing violence against #Shias and noting tragedy in Kabul @FarriRizvi
    25 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @FarriRizvi Did you even read my article or any of my books? Half of my family is #Shia. All I am saying is culture has to change
    29 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Salaams @abidifactor Reality is Shia-Sunni violence is a scourge in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen — not just PK. We all need change
    30 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @RiazToori For a man of your stature comments are sad. Educated Shias and Sunnis need to reform rituals to build peace @abidifactor
    34 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @airtiza Read last paragraph of my article. It is precisely about not forgetting #Shia rights and fighting against hate speech and violence
    47 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Ossified view of culture perpetuates conflict. I always challenge people to change culture. Note this piece on #Congo: bit.ly/dCm4V2
    50 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @RiazToori Where have I cursed anyone? The whole point is to show that cultural practices need reform for reconciliation to occur
    54 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @RiazToori You are clearly not familiar with my work and are getting on this bandwagon and distorting. Please read: bit.ly/u4sE90
    59 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @y2raza @HaiderKarrar @Darveshh @RiazToori @Ammaryasir Read the full article PLEASE. I have always defended minorities in PK. Dont distort
    1 hour ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    I will never mince words on corrosive cultural practices: Be they Shia Sunni, African, Asian or European: We need a culture of humanity
    1 hour ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Friends who are doing ad hominem attacks on me: Note I have criticized Wahabbis with equal vigor: bit.ly/qyKq9s @Pakistanpolicy
    1 hour ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @Laibaah1 By the way I am half Shia too in family terms. Read article first @etribune @vali_nasr @CChristineFair
    1 hour ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    #Shia – #Sunni reconciliation: My latest oped for @etribune bit.ly/uiGyYt @Vali_Nasr @CChristineFair #Islam #Muharram

  3. gibranp Gibran Peshimam
    Er, sorry but I don’t see why the Saleem Ali piece has aroused so much offense. Comparing it to LeJ literature? That’s extreme exaggeration
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    MT @casanovamaveric Saleem Ali is a culprit! He has tried to destroy the public discoursed by distorting the entire history. @Laibaah1
    34 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @casanovamaveric We are thankful to @Laibaah1 for boldly highlighting the anti-Shia diatribe by Saleem Ali.
    41 minutes ago

    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Will that Saleem Ali just #STFU now.
    44 minutes ago

    sainiz Saira Niz
    So, according to Saleem Ali, Shias hurl abuses at Sunnis and Sunnis are very soft spoken: twurl.nl/210mbj
    55 minutes ago

    PakCricFanatic kleintjie
    RT @omar_quraishi the Saleem Ali piece is not just offensive it is disrespectful am appalled that such bigotry was published by @etribune
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Every sane voice has condemned etribune and Saleem Ali except a few Abbas Nasir and Malik Ishaq types.
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @naeemshamim @etribune What Saleem Ali wrote in neat English was stated by LeJ’s chief in neat Urdu: youtu.be/jCd1csIeOQM
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Plz someone translate @etribune / Saleem Ali’s article in Urdu and distribute as a specimen of hate speech and reckless corporate media!
    1 hour ago

    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    @etribune – kick out losers like Saleem Ali out of your ranks or close down your newspaper. #shame #fail
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @etribune and Saleem Ali must tender an unconditional apology to Shias & Sunnis of Pakistan. @Darveshh @mazdaki @omar_quraishi
    1 hour ago

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    The descendant of Yazid Saleem Ali spreading hatred #Shia @Laibaah1 @Kaalakawaa @ArooojZahra
    1 hour ago

    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
    Something Saleem Ali should keep in mind: bashing religious traditions that don’t impede on other people’s rights won’t do anyone any good
    2 hours ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Fake Liberal AbbasNasir59 has also shown his pro-LeJ credentials today. Shame on Shia-Phobe! Shame on Saleem Ali and @etribune
    2 hours ago

    kaalakawaa Kala Kawa
    That previous link via someone, I forget who though. I blame Saleem Ali for making me forget.
    2 hours ago

    kaalakawaa Kala Kawa
    This piece by Saleem Ali boils down to “Dear Shias, remove parts of your belief I don’t consider polite.” tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s… Vile.
    2 hours ago

    shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    Judging by comments, some people seem to have really taken offense to Saleem Ali oped in ET on Shia Sunni “reconciliation”
    2 hours ago

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    Shame on the people like Saleem H Ali. They are the real clean shaved wahabis behind #shia massacre @laibaah1
    3 hours ago

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    Express Tribune op-ed Dec 9 (should be online tonight): Saleem H Ali, Michael Kugelman, Anwer Mooraj, Dr Pervez Tahir and Kamran Shafi

  4. Slmn0 Suleman Akhtar
    @saleem_ali Buying your logic, Jews should have abandoned Star of David during holocaust but they din’t. @airtiza @AbdulNishapuri
    4 minutes ago

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali Tabarra is NOT a Shia cultural practice. Do your reading before you write.
    9 minutes ago

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali Calling them lunatics, high on testosterone is cultural criticism?
    14 minutes ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    It’s nt twitter bullying professor @saleem_ali No person with conscience has endorsed what you put down. Rather condemnation @omar_quraishi
    21 minutes ago

    Slmn0 Suleman Akhtar
    @
    @saleem_ali If THIS is not hate speech then those sectarian monsters spewing venom day in and day out r also justified. Freedom to offend?
    30 minutes ago

    Slmn0 Suleman Akhtar
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri I just read it and got greatly perturbed. What ET is up to? Preaching reconciliation while inciting violence? @saleem_ali
    43 minutes ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @Saleem_Ali wants ‘pan-Islamic reconciliation process b/w sects, particularly Shias & Sunnis’ essentially by mocking at Muharam Processions
    59 minutes ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @Saleem_Ali mentions Maulana Ishaq’s sermons as an instrument of Shaia Sunni Unity while he is one of the worst Anti Ahmadi Mullah !
    1 hour ago

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    We don’t want @etribune space 2 respond.Buck stops with their editors.They must apologize posthaste for carrying @saleem_ali ‘s #HateSpeech
    1 hour ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @atnussan Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi, by virtue of his profound theological grasp, is addressing a grave issue. Laud him! @etribune
    1 hour ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    About Drunken Horses I’m reading 1st but know old #Pashto famous prose “Donkey with books on its back” @shahpak78 @saleem_ali @abidifactor
    2 hours ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    What gravely shocked me is why a paper like @etribune gave space to such Hate article as it is liberal. @iamabbasraza @laibaah1 @saleem_ali
    2 hours ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi, please, seriously,seek a job in Lal Masjid. Your shock language in Pakistan will help you in ‘reconciliation’
    2 hours ago

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali You should be ashamed of yourself. U r a fellow at U-peace? I am writing to them to teach f basic stuff @RiazToori @abidifactor
    2 hours ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    We want a peaceful #Pakistan whr all sects live with peace, security & respect. @saleem_ali do write on #Parachinar ever did U? @farririzvi
    2 hours ago

    abidifactor Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    @
    W’salaam, @saleem_ali, well then its being triggered for a reason. You don’t change rituals, rather unite to understand n fight it together.
    2 hours ago

    Sam_Schulman Sam Schulman
    @
    @Laibaah1 @airtiza @RiazToori I recall hearing this melody on Broadway:”Why can’t the shia, be more like me!” – @saleem_ali.
    2 hours ago

    abidifactor Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    @
    @saleem_ali only #Pakistan has a problem! All over the world Sunni’s and Shia’s live with respect to each others beliefs. @RiazToori
    2 hours ago

    akchishti akchishti
    wish @saleem_ali had the guts to criticize Salafist/Wahabi self-proclaimed Mullahs who are on a witch hunt to kill everyone whose different
    3 hours ago

    akchishti akchishti
    @saleem_ali highly sectarian/ hate filled piece shows how anti-shia hatred is embossed even in us educated/urban sunnis j.mp/uiGyYt
    3 hours ago

    TarekFatah Tarek Fatah
    @
    @saleem_ali should stick 2 his day job. For @etribune 2 publish this Sunni rant at time of Ashura is alarming. @Chiltan @Laibaah1 @Razarumi
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    It is an act to inflame Hate & Hatred for #Shia @Laibaah1 @airtiza @AiliaZehra @mazdaki @AbdulNishapuri @abidifactor @saleem_ali @etribune
    4 hours ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    Strongly Condmnable- Has insulted #Shia badly @Laibaah1 @airtiza @AiliaZehra @mazdaki @AbdulNishapuri @abidifactor @saleem_ali @etribune
    4 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    etribune The Express Tribune
    (Op-ed) #Shia – #Sunni reconciliation: @saleem_ali tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s… #Pakistan #muharram

  5. AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @gibranp Are you a Shia Muslim? Have you ever heard about the agency of the oppressed?
    2 minutes ago

    Slmn0 Suleman Akhtar
    @saleem_ali Buying your logic, Jews should have abandoned Star of David during holocaust but they din’t. @airtiza @AbdulNishapuri
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    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali Tabarra is NOT a Shia cultural practice. Do your reading before you write.
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    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali Calling them lunatics, high on testosterone is cultural criticism?
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @saleem_ali Before you write further uninformed articles on culture and religion, learn to respect plurality and diversity. @airtiza
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    ImJabzz Zee J
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri Yes, and I’m sure he also thinks he exemplifies what a true muslim should be!!! SIC.
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    Hitting the sack with a word, again, for both @etribune and Professor salim_ali Jhangvi: Shame!
    15 minutes ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @saleem_ali Do you also condemn Tabarra in Surah Taubah? Where does religion end and culture start? @airtiza @mazdaki
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    OmarWaraich Omar Waraich
    @
    @abidhussayn I doubt even Nawai Waqt would have published it @mazdaki
    2 hours ago
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    M_Tarar Mutazalzaluzzaman T
    @
    prolly coz Javed Chaud is a khotay da puttar RT @AbdulNishapuri On Muharram 10 Javed Chaudhry’s guest in his show: Hanif Qureshi of LeJ-SSP
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    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Mahaal tha jahan sajdaa wahan pay sajda-e-shukar — Qasam khuda ki ajab banda-e-khuda hay Hussain (A.S.)
    2 hours ago
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    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Mr Ziauddin, Mr Kamal Siddiqui – come forward and apologise on publishing such hateful speech in @etribune – Stop abusing #shia community
    1 hour ago
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    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    @
    @kaalakawaa Bagum Nawazish (ali saleem ) might have more sense of purpose in life than this prof ali saleem (Attention seeker whore)
    1 hour ago
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    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    The writer has hurt the feelings of the #shia community, they deserve an apology @etribune
    22 minutes ago
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    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Shock of the day – @etribune advocating anti-shia sentiments, promoting hateful speech. Down with #ExpressTribune. #shame #fail
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @tammyhaq Mr. @omar_quraishi should know that rebuttals involuntarily provide legitimacy to @salim_ali’s article. ET has to apologize.
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    It’s nt twitter bullying professor @saleem_ali No person with conscience has endorsed what you put down. Rather condemnation @omar_quraishi
    22 minutes ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @omar_quraishi How is this argument/justification valid that because ET writes editorials, it can also allow a bigot to pen a hateful piece?
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @omar_quraishi We don’t want a response to his article;but a clear apology from @etribune on front page for this hateful piece of the ‘prof’
    47 minutes ago
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    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Will that Saleem Ali just #STFU now.
    46 minutes ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @khurramriaz87 The worst thing we can do is to judge Shias from a Sunni lens or Sunnis from Shia lens. We must learn to respect differences.
    29 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi Please also review this when free: criticalppp.com/archives/57886
    31 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi Sir, Approx 30% of all Shias killed in Balochistan are non-Hazaras. criticalppp.com/archives/64797 Higher rate of killing!
    31 minutes ago

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @abbasnasir59 Ok, we will wait for your piece. Saleem Ali called all of Shias lunatics, U might go further calling them bastards! @Darveshh
    2 hours ago
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    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @
    @omar_quraishi Better part of valor will be an unconditional apology. You must have zero tolerance for #HateSpeech @etribune
    41 minutes ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    MT @casanovamaveric Saleem Ali is a culprit! He has tried to destroy the public discoursed by distorting the entire history. @Laibaah1
    36 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi It is NOT Hazara massacre. It is massacre of Shia Muslims. Don’t give it ethnic colour please.
    36 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi You published hate speech which may lead to murder! You should retract the post, publish an apology and review policies!
    37 minutes ago

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    I am very sorry if some readers and friends have been hurt and offended. We have always taken a clear stand against sectarian violence
    49 minutes ago
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    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @
    @omar_quraishi Appreciate ur regrets but it’s not enough. @saleem_ali has peddled unsubstantiated allegations 2 malign the beleaguered Shia
    42 minutes ago
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    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    4 a prof, YGL, wrote a book, an op-ed writer, tweed 3747 times, follow 475 ppl. 717 Folwers shows how gud u r @saleem_ali @omar_quraishi
    42 minutes ago
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    y2raza sar765
    @
    @Slmn0 @AbdulNishapuri @saleem_ali the length of the piece itself speaks of the real intent!
    40 minutes ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @khurramriaz87 Shias, Sunnis, Ahmadis, others, must accept each other with all the differences, with respect and equality.
    40 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @khurramriaz87 These very topics lead to hate speech. Shias and Sunnis are different sects of Islam due to obvious reasons. @fasi_zaka
    41 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @casanovamaveric We are thankful to @Laibaah1 for boldly highlighting the anti-Shia diatribe by Saleem Ali.
    42 minutes ago

    casanovamaveric Zain Ali Raza Siyal
    My heart cries reading to it. @Laibaah1 may God bless you n’ for dredging an attention to such atrocious piece tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s…
    1 hour ago
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    Slmn0 Suleman Akhtar
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri I just read it and got greatly perturbed. What ET is up to? Preaching reconciliation while inciting violence? @saleem_ali
    45 minutes ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    Sigh! One word for @etribune and Professor Salim_ali Jhangvi: SHAME!
    49 minutes ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    There are at least two fake liberals who (politically) corrected their stance after their initial support to anti-Shia Saleem Ali.
    44 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Dear @saleem_ali, For five minutes of fame, you incited further hatred against Shia Muslims. Their blood will be on your hands!
    50 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @naeemshamim In face the Salafi-NeoDeobandi Republic of Pakistan :(
    52 minutes ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @Mahwishrizvi That was expected. The aim was to ignite a debate targeting the already gravely persecuted community in the country.
    1 hour ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @Mahwishrizvi Death? You mean “ethical journalism” had a life here? It never had so long as I remember. Only that we’re able to see now
    1 hour ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    Sumone please refer Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi’s article to LeJ/SSP and other like-minded groups so that it could be joyously translated
    56 minutes ago
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    sainiz Saira Niz
    Saleem Ali, you should for once enter Islamic schools where the ’1′ Shia student is ridiculed like no tomorrow! #Islam #Pakistan #Shia
    55 minutes ago
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    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
    Something Saleem Ali should keep in mind: bashing religious traditions that don’t impede on other people’s rights won’t do anyone any good
    2 hours ago
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    sainiz Saira Niz
    So, according to Saleem Ali, Shias hurl abuses at Sunnis and Sunnis are very soft spoken: twurl.nl/210mbj
    56 minutes ago
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    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @Saleem_Ali wants ‘pan-Islamic reconciliation process b/w sects, particularly Shias & Sunnis’ essentially by mocking at Muharam Processions
    1 hour ago
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    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    @saleem_ali Also your choice of words are clearly judgmental and demeaning
    1 hour ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi is very careful/picky in his right to ‘offend’ . His mentor, Malik Ishaq, won’t be offended. @tammyhaq
    1 hour ago
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    abidhussayn Abid Hussain
    @
    @saleem_ali and you expect to change the culture by demeaning their rituals in a most derogatory manner?
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @konwho The mention of Yazeed Paleed caused offence to you? Any relation? @atifahmads
    1 hour ago

    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri Express is Anti shia [Javed CH todays op-ed, show on 9th and 10] now tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s… and a blog blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/9231/why…
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @abbasnasir59 Really? The intro is well argued? @abidhussayn @mazdaki @omar_quraishi
    1 hour ago

    abidhussayn Abid Hussain
    @
    @OmarWaraich @shahidsaeed @mazdaki Saleem Ali should count his lucky stars nobody at Uni of Vermont will report him economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-i…
    1 hour ago
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    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri Why doesn’t @etribune start publishing porn to sell? won’t get Shias killed at least! and would sell better in pakistan
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @khurramriaz87 Calling a Muslim sect kafir is not sanely honest. Neither is hate speech to be condoned. @fasi_zaka
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Of course, notorious LeJ apologist, ISI affiliate, EjazHaider is @etribune’s best selling columnist!
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @etribune has shown that they can stoop very low to increase their traffic. Who cares if a few more Shias are killed by LeJ terrorists?
    1 hour ago

    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    Shame on #etribune for advocating hate speech.Their fb page comments are full of hateful speech.
    1 hour ago
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    Zalaan1 netengr
    کیا پاکستان کی بربادی وینا ملک کے ہاتھ پرآئی ایس آئی لکھنے سے ہوئی ہےیاخودکش بمبار کے جسم پر آئی ایس آئی کا بم باندھنے سے ؟‎@AbdulNishapuri‏
    1 hour ago
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    AzmatZahra Azmat Khan
    “Every year on the tenth day of the holy month of Muharram, Shia Muslims show a distinctive face of Islam…” to.pbs.org/vJXMdZ
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @atnussan Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi, by virtue of his profound theological grasp, is addressing a grave issue. Laud him! @etribune
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @ArooojZahra Insane they are in their hatred of Shia Muslims.
    1 hour ago

    Zalaan1 netengr
    @AbdulNishapuri these idots are invited,recentlyHead of SSP ludhyanvi apeared in asma choudri show she were calling them Ulema karam
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @atifahmads I know :) These are common Muslim traditions which we must never let go.
    1 hour ago

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    learnt it from Hazrat Mirza Sahib RT @AbdulNishapuri: glad that you used Paleed with Yazeed’s name. was common Shia-Sunni-Ahmadi practice
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Every sane voice has condemned etribune and Saleem Ali except a few Abbas Nasir and Malik Ishaq types.
    1 hour ago

    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    @
    @fursid It published a piece by Saleem Ali on ‘reconciliation’ between shias and sunnis. It has only ignited more differences. #Irony
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @atifahmads I am glad that you used Paleed with Yazeed’s name. It was a common Shia-Sunni-Ahmadi practice before Zakir Naik took over!
    1 hour ago

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    @AbdulNishapuri had Javed Chaudhry been in his time he would have certainly be running Yazeed Paleed’s Express TV
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @saleem_ali’s ‘reconciliation’ article has led to a unified Sunni-Shia response to condemn his anti-Shia hate speech. Real reconciliation!
    1 hour ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    Understand #Pashtu old famous proverb “A donkey with books on it’s back remains donkey instead ” @AbdulNishapuri
    1 hour ago
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    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
    @
    @OmarWaraich holy, holy fuck. that was like David Duke writing on interracial harmony @mazdaki
    2 hours ago
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    OmarWaraich Omar Waraich
    @
    @abidhussayn @mazdaki Why did @etribune run such bigotry on its pages?
    2 hours ago
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    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @etribune @omar_quraishi You carried hate speech & unsubstantiated allegations against Shia.You must apologize & remove @saleem_ali ‘s rant
    2 hours ago
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    atnussan a. nicolini
    now that I read such a deplorable piece by @saleem_ali I understand why it caused widespread outrage bit.ly/tk1G1Q
    2 hours ago
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    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    We don’t want @etribune space 2 respond.Buck stops with their editors.They must apologize posthaste for carrying @saleem_ali ‘s #HateSpeech
    1 hour ago
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    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    @
    @iamabbasraza @Darveshh Tribune has nothing to lose, its getting more traffic, we need a front page apology #Hate #Shias
    1 hour ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    Like I said, ET is apparently a refined/evolved form of Zarb-e Momin or Zarb-e Haq.We must give it credit for this remarkable liberalization
    1 hour ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    If Urdu translation of this article is distributed I am sure no1 in #Pakistan will even shake hand with any Shia @AbdulNishapuri @etribune
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    On 10th of Muharram, Javed Chaudhry had a special guest in his talk show: Hanif Qureshi of LeJ-SSP: youtu.be/2cgzar4wPKs
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Then you want us to treat liberal, English speaking class as our allies. Go to hell along with your English media liberals!
    1 hour ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @naeemshamim @etribune What Saleem Ali wrote in neat English was stated by LeJ’s chief in neat Urdu: youtu.be/jCd1csIeOQM
    1 hour ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri @etribune Translate it and you’ll have Malik Ishaq’s speech ! All ready for the new Jalsa!
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Plz someone translate @etribune / Saleem Ali’s article in Urdu and distribute as a specimen of hate speech and reckless corporate media!
    1 hour ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    You’ve lost it @etribune !
    1 hour ago
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    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    @etribune – kick out losers like Saleem Ali out of your ranks or close down your newspaper. #shame #fail
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    This is the same @etribune which deleted the most important sentence from @HRW’s bold statement on Shia killings in Pakistan. Shame!
    1 hour ago

    kaalakawaa Kala Kawa
    This Saleem Ali is a professor? I say his ass gets SubramanianSwamy’d. Bigot.
    1 hour ago
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    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    The descendant of Yazid Saleem Ali spreading hatred #Shia @Laibaah1 @Kaalakawaa @ArooojZahra
    1 hour ago
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    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @
    Shame! RT @AbdulNishapuri Shame on @etribune. Your anti-Shia article may increase your traffic at the cost of a few dozen Shias’ lives!
    1 hour ago
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    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    A modern URBAN FAKE LIBERAL aka internet Yazeedi calling Karbala incident as ” heights of absurdity and masochism” via @etribune @saleem_ali
    1 hour ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    Rt “@abidifactor: I will not be sharing @etribune links until this article is removed & an apology z written in its place #Pakistan #Shia
    1 hour ago
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    dabeerhemani Dabeer Hemani
    RT @Mahwishrizvi: #Etribune has nothing to lose except they will get more traffic #DeathOfJournalism
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Shame on @etribune. Your anti-Shia article may increase your traffic at the cost of a few dozen Shias’ lives!
    1 hour ago

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    @
    @Laibaah1 @etribune did the same in #Dunyapur incident by NOT naming Khatam-e-Nabuwwat vultures who desecrated Ahmadi graves!!! #Pakistan
    1 hour ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @etribune and Saleem Ali must tender an unconditional apology to Shias & Sunnis of Pakistan. @Darveshh @mazdaki @omar_quraishi
    1 hour ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    RT @mazdaki Unless @etribune & @omar_quraishi tender front-page apology 4 lapse of judgement,ET must b boycotted 4 inciting anti-Shia hatred
    1 hour ago
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    AhmadMalik77 Ahmad Malik
    RT: This piece by Saleem Ali boils down to “Dear Shias, remove parts of your belief I don’t consider polite.” tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s… Vile.”
    2 hours ago
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    Sidra_Rizvi Sidra Rizvi
    with this piece…… Javed chaudry please go to hell express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwi… oh n while you are on your way please take Saleem Ali with you..
    2 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Dear all, Protest against Saleem Ali’s hate speech thru email to his university mary.watzin@uvm.edu, Gary.Derr@uvm.edu, John.Bramley@uvm.edu
    2 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Dear @etribune: In your obsession to surpass Dawn, you are resorting to publish hate speech against Shias to generate more traffic? Shame!
    2 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    Brave! Publishing anti-Shia posts now? RT @omar_quraishi Express Tribune op-ed Dec 9 (should be online tonight): Saleem H Ali, …
    2 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    I suggest Sunni and Shia folks organize a peaceful demo outside Express Tribune offices in Lahore, Karachi, Isloo and elsewhere. #HateSpeech
    2 hours ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    What gravely shocked me is why a paper like @etribune gave space to such Hate article as it is liberal. @iamabbasraza @laibaah1 @saleem_ali
    2 hours ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    About Drunken Horses I’m reading 1st but know old #Pashto famous prose “Donkey with books on its back” @shahpak78 @saleem_ali @abidifactor
    2 hours ago
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    abidifactor Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    I will not be sharing @etribune links until this article is removed and an apology is written in its place #Pakistan #Karachi #Shia
    2 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @saleem_ali You can sign off in peace but LeJ operatives have already taken a clue from your hate speech! @iamabbasraza @airtiza @Darveshh
    2 hours ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    Professor @saleem_ali break your pen today. You betrayed your sacred commitment to truth today! @iamabbasraza @airtiza
    2 hours ago
    Retweeted by AbdulNishapuri

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    @etribune has published a hate piece written by a ‘drunken horse’, ‘high on testosterone’ named saleem_ali. @AbdulNishapuri @farhadjarral
    2 hours ago
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    Darveshh Darvesh
    If LeJ has its bloodthirsty cadre on the streets to hunt Shias, its ‘intellectual’ hate-mongers/killers run amok even in “liberal” press.
    2 hours ago
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    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Fake Liberal AbbasNasir59 has also shown his pro-LeJ credentials today. Shame on Shia-Phobe! Shame on Saleem Ali and @etribune
    2 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    For a Saudi-Wahhabi view on infidel Shias and their heretic Muharram rituals, read @saleem_ali’s post in @etribune: tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s…
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Saleem Ali Yazidi ridicules Shia Muslims religious symbole Zuljanah (horse of Imam Hussain) as drunken horses.
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Saleem Ali Yazidi ridicules mourning Shias of Ashura as “mobs of men, high on testosterone (and God knows what else)”
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Saleem Ali Yazidi uses Lashkar-e-Jhangvi’s charge-sheet against a community which is being target killed by ISI-backed LeJ terrorists.
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    I hope that Pakistan’s moderate Sunni and Shia Muslims register a case against @etribune and Saleem Yazidi for hate speech and Shia phobia.
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    I am not a Shia but it pains my heart to see my Shia compatriots killed, stereotyped and persecuted by LeJ and Saleem Ali types
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    To All Tweeps: Please read the blatant hate speech against Shia Musilms published by @etribune written by @saleem_ali: tribune.com.pk/story/303597/s…
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    I urge all Sunnis, Shias, Pashtuns, Balochs, Sindhis, Punjabis, Hazaras to condemn Saleem Ali’s hate speech against Shia Muslims in etribune
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    I condemn @etribune on publishing blatant hate speech & highly sectarian article agnst Shia Muslims. Will lead to further massacre of Shias
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Most importantly I urge my Salafi brothers & sisters to condemn Saudi-Khariji Professor Saleem Ahmed’s hate speech against Shia Muslims.
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @saleem_ali Thru your hate speech, you have enabled further massacre of Shia Muslims. Very sad! @etribune @vali_nasr @CChristineFair
    4 hours ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    It is an act to inflame Hate & Hatred for #Shia @Laibaah1 @airtiza @AiliaZehra @mazdaki @AbdulNishapuri @abidifactor @saleem_ali @etribune
    4 hours ago
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    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    Strongly Condmnable- Has insulted #Shia badly @Laibaah1 @airtiza @AiliaZehra @mazdaki @AbdulNishapuri @abidifactor @saleem_ali @etribune
    4 hours ago
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    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Dear @MaulaBuksh @Razarumi @Abdul_Bugti @AbdulNishapuri @marvi_memon Plz raise voice against hate speech against Shia Muslims in @etribune
    4 hours ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

  6. iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    @airtiza Twitter is a gud place to lose respect in the “public” eye #racists #bigots #fakes now unfollow @omar_quraishi @etribune
    3 minutes ago

    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    Twitter is a gud place to lose respect in the “public” eye #racists #bigots #ignorance #liars #fakes @etribune @omar_quraishi
    11 minutes ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    Hitting the sack with a word, again, for both @etribune and Professor salim_ali Jhangvi: Shame!
    18 minutes ago

    Mahwishrizvi Mahwish Riz
    The writer has hurt the feelings of the #shia community, they deserve an apology @etribune
    26 minutes ago

    mrprovelone Mohy Kamal
    Two oil tankers blow up at Rawalpindi depot tribune.com.pk/story/303945/t… via @etribune
    27 minutes ago
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    pygmy_chameleon Robin Hoeven
    Palestinian flag to be raised at UNESCO headquarters tribune.com.pk/story/303449/p… via @etribune
    30 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    shahbazzahid Shahbaz Zahid
    Shock of the day – @etribune advocating anti-shia sentiments, promoting hateful speech. Down with #ExpressTribune. #shame #fail

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @omar_quraishi We don’t want a response to his article;but a clear apology from @etribune on front page for this hateful piece of the ‘prof’
    50 minutes ago
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    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    We don’t want @etribune space 2 respond.Buck stops with their editors.They must apologize posthaste for carrying @saleem_ali ‘s #HateSpeech
    1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    If Urdu translation of this article is distributed I am sure no1 in #Pakistan will even shake hand with any Shia @AbdulNishapuri @etribune
    1 hour ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    @atnussan Professor @saleem_ali Jhangvi, by virtue of his profound theological grasp, is addressing a grave issue. Laud him! @etribune
    1 hour ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri @etribune Translate it and you’ll have Malik Ishaq’s speech ! All ready for the new Jalsa!
    1 hour ago

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    @
    Shame! RT @AbdulNishapuri Shame on @etribune. Your anti-Shia article may increase your traffic at the cost of a few dozen Shias’ lives!
    1 hour ago

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    A modern URBAN FAKE LIBERAL aka internet Yazeedi calling Karbala incident as ” heights of absurdity and masochism” via @etribune @saleem_ali
    1 hour ago

    Darveshh Darvesh
    @
    RT @mazdaki @etribune @omar_quraishi You carried hate speech & unsubstantiated allegations against Shia.U must apologize & remove SA’s rant
    2 hours ago

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    @
    @Laibaah1 @etribune did the same in #Dunyapur incident by NOT naming Khatam-e-Nabuwwat vultures who desecrated Ahmadi graves!!! #Pakistan
    2 hours ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    ExpressTribune hurt #Shia in millions through this article, damaging it’s image @mazdaki @omarwaraich @abidhussayn @etribune @omar_quraishi
    2 hours ago

    HumaImtiaz Huma Imtiaz
    For @Etribune: Pentagon: Closure of NATO supply routes has not had significant impact on troops bit.ly/tbviJZ
    2 hours ago

    RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
    @
    What gravely shocked me is why a paper like @etribune gave space to such Hate article as it is liberal. @iamabbasraza @laibaah1 @saleem_ali
    2 hours ago

    abidifactor Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    @
    @RiazToori reg. protest to relevant authorities @Laibaah1 @airtiza @AiliaZehra @mazdaki @AbdulNishapuri @saleem_ali @etribune
    2 hours ago

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @saleem_ali Jhangvi following in the footsteps of Ejaz Haider Jhangvi. @Laibaah1 @mazdaki @RiazToori @AbdulNishapuri @abidifactor @etribune
    3 hours ago

    tatom2k Tatom
    @
    @TarekFatah @saleem_ali @etribune @Chiltan @Laibaah1 @Razarumi Dnt knw whts de reason 2 post sch article whn already intolerance @ its least
    3 hours ago

  7. Reader Comments (16)
    ALL COMMENTSREADER’S RECOMMENDATIONS
    Shahid Jamil
    5 hours ago
    Reply
    God bless you for writing this article. Please continue to talk about this issue in every forum that you can. Thanks.
    Recommend5

    faraz
    5 hours ago
    Reply
    Although I am a Sunni, but Shia have every right to perform their rituals; whether it’s a pleasant sight or not is for them to decide. Reconciliation between sects is just an amateur fantasy. Tolerance for difference of opinion is the key
    Recommend33

    Ali Tanoli
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    Very well and balance article well done mr.saleem ali and i do like Maulana Ishaq sahab he is
    very humble and respected person may god bless him on his efforts to bring both groups together but in one point i disagreed sir that shias are discriminated in pakistan i think u should visit our beloved next door country Iran and witniced the discrimination against sunni
    iranis peoples and i think pakistan is trully free for any group to practice there faith.
    and we should remeber this time Allam Ehsan Ellahi Zaheer sahab also who secrificed his life
    for this cause and also remeberd Allama Afif Husaini sahab too..
    Recommend4

    sidra
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    i am sure every single one of the people who commented on my blog negatively will love this. because this is the exact mentality of people towards Shias. This is disappointment. this is what happens when you do not agree with the other side.
    Recommend16

    Pro Bono Publico
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    Good job!
    Tabarra is the most insane institution. In one case, I had to momentarily ‘change’ my name to a non-tabarrized one in order to safely enter to do reporting on a Muharram related event. This is a shame. At least, the educated among the Shia need to revolt against it.
    Recommend8

    Farheen Rizvi
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    First of all this is such a shameful view you have for Azadari-Husain AS while living in a society like USA. What are u trying do in Pakistan by writing such piece. You are trying to erupt the sectarian violence in the country while living thousands of miles away.
    Second thing..if you don’t have respects or knowledge about other sects kindly sit with them and learn about it before giving your unethical views about others….
    Recommend26

    Timorov (Taimur Malik)
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    Bang on yet again Mr. Ali. It must also be born in mind that Shia Ulema in Iran in the post-Qajar order have strongly rebuked the practices of abusing certain Sahaba in Muharram processions, and yet we see unfortunate, inane and frankly un-Islamic emotionalism in Shia processions esp. in South Asia.
    The Fatwa of Imam Shaltut, the Chief Mufti of Al-Azhar (the most important religious institution in Sunni Islam) in the 60s that declared the Fiqh of Imam Jafar al-Sadiq as the fifth mazhab of Islam is a great starting point that the current Muslim leaders and scholars need to build on.
    Recommend2

    Ali
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    Apart from the mention of being peaceful to which I’m sure everyone agrees.
    I don’t think you even know what you are talking about.
    Recommend14

    Syed Ali
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    @ author! you have raised some very good points and I am very pleased that you mention the sermons of Maulana Ishaq who talks about the unity fo Shia, Sunni, Brelvi and Deobandi etc. But its sad to see that such a scholar of higher caliber and superior intellect has been neglected by mainstream media and his sermons are only available through internet or CD’s. Perhaps, Media likes to project only those people of scholarship who live in Lahore or Islamabad. Any gem, elsewhere, like the learnerd Maulana, who lives in a narrow street and small home in Faisalabad has to go to these cities and use some contacts to appear on regular TV.
    Recommend2

    Umer
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    A very well written article, Thumbs up :)
    Recommend6

    American
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    The basic problem in the sunni-shia-wahhabi conflict is apsotasy . when clerics approve killing of apostates it opens a whole can of worms. since many wahabbis consider shias as apostates, many come to the conclusion that murdering them is “halal” . Since apostates are considered worse than even jews or idolators.This conflict can only end if muslims recognize the equality of other sects or religions or this 1400 yr conflict will have no sign of abating.
    Recommend3

    Haider Azhar
    4 hours ago
    Reply
    Sir,
    I take offence from your piece simply because it starts off in a tone which in itself is disrespectful. There are no “drunk horses” or intoxication of any kind for these processions and you starting your piece with such a language only discredits the title of your piece. I won’t address the rest of the piece simply because not only is it factually inaccurate but the tone of your first two paras reflects a negative bias in your mind against Shias and you have in fact laid down all your cards within these first two paras. I have always enjoyed reading your articles but the title of your piece is not only misleading but the content and the way it has been expressed suggests anything but reconciliation.
    I posted this comment on your facebook page as well but feel that it needs to be posted here as well.
    Regards.
    Recommend45

    Shahbaz Zahid
    2 hours ago
    Reply
    Where’s the dislike button?
    Recommend6

    Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    2 hours ago
    Reply
    There is a limit to liberalism!
    Recommend4

    aceleaf
    2 hours ago
    Reply
    I am Sunni Muslim but while reading this article I thought that writer should have learnd more about cultures, religious sentiments and freedom of expression.
    Being in America or being a university teacher doesnt mean you have any right downgrade or insult a whole community.
    Recommend13

    Ali-wali
    2 hours ago
    Reply
    First of all there is no Shia Sunni conflict in Pakistan, secondly to label suicide bombers as Sunni is very misleading, suicide bombers belong to a sect Dalbandi or whatever and they are not mainstream Pakistani Sunnis period.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/303597/shia-sunni-reconciliation/

  8. NasimZehra Nasim Zehra
    @
    @Ghazi_Abid @omar_quraishi Rational/decent critique of tabara is valid.Ur own faith does not give u license to be offensive against others.
    13 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    NasimZehra Nasim Zehra
    @omar_quraishi ET MUST apologize for publishing this outrageously offensive piece.Is this a rational/decent critique of rituals?
    18 minutes ago

    NasimZehra Nasim Zehra
    @omar_quraishi I find Saleem Ali’s piece extremely ofensive.If these r principles of freedom ET believes in then dont criticize the talibaan

  9. ali488 Ali Abbas
    if the picture was not clear enough.. here is original link webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache… @Afrin_Abbas
    2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @etribune @Afrin_Abbas i have dug out the cached version of that page.. as a proof… pic.twitter.com/pNJckNXg
    6 minutes ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune @saleem_ali just edited the article and the entire lines “drunken horses..” has been eliminated ..

    ………….

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    @saleem_ali good to know that you are willing to respond.. i will be writing a rebuttal myself.. #peace
    50 minutes ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    you know what.. i am writing a rebuttal anyway.. I have my own blog.. limited audience yes … but someone has to raise voice
    56 minutes ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune i remember writing an article once but it did not made it ..i remember being kicked out of their fb 4 askng questions
    58 minutes ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @jhaque_ i am not sure who is monitoring @etribune twtr account bcos apparently no one is replying.. can you “pls” respond?
    59 minutes ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune i am writing a rebutal which will not include a single line of “disrespect” but facts only.. will u publish it?
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune @saleem_ali on the issue of drunken horses and testosterone high ppl.. please simply tell me where u got this info ?
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune @saleem_ali alot of thngs are banned but they cont to occur, this is where tolerance and education kicks in
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune @saleem_ali and the tabara was done on Hazrat Ali(a.s). Yes shia do perform tabara on certain shaba but it is banned
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune @saleem_ali you are running low on knowledge of history, tabara was started back in Siriya during mauwiyas regime
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    i know they wont.. i have posted a question for @saleem_ali as well if he may respond to it.. @Afrin_Abbas @etribune
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune forget then apologizing.. what they have started is an endless chain of rebuttals.. i am writing one know..
    1 hour ago

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @saleem_ali only 1 question with regards to your article on @etribune when exactly did you see/learn about drunken horses and testosterone?
    1 hour ago
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    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @etribune has closed comments and replies on that blog.. @Afrin_Abbas can you confirm?
    1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    ali488 Ali Abbas
    @
    @Afrin_Abbas @etribune has literally lost it.. wth… i am going to post a comment and it better make it to the blog.. “drunken horses” :@

  10. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @NasimZehra If rituals had not been criticized in history misogyny would persist. Ultrasensitivity is what gave us rash blasphemy laws
    14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @NasimZehra Offense metric is hardly sign of a free society or media. Rejoinder piece is in the works, however, to clarify with amity
    26 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @ali488 A rejoinder article will be published. Glad you are willing to engage in positive debate on reform of cultural practices. In Peace

  11. omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    I am very sorry if some readers and friends have been hurt and offended. We have always taken a clear stand against sectarian violence –

    iamabbasraza Abbas Raza ✔
    @UroojZia Twitter is a gud place to lose respect in the “public” eye #racists #bigots #fakes now unfollowing @omar_quraishi @etribune
    5 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @
    @iamabbasraza I know @omar_quraishi and he’s NOT a bigot. Ironic how such accusations are thrown around blindly by PTI supporters.
    5 hours ago
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    @omar_quraishi
    omar r quraishi
    @UroojZia thanks Urooj – changes have been made to the online version

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri sir I was referring to the two shooting incidents this year – targeted the Hazara community
    6 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi It is NOT Hazara massacre. It is massacre of Shia Muslims. Don’t give it ethnic colour please.

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi Sir, Approx 30% of all Shias killed in Balochistan are non-Hazaras. criticalppp.com/archives/64797 Higher rate of killing!

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri sir the Hazara community in Balochistan and they are Shia Muslims – the edits do not give it an ‘ethnic colour’
    6 hours ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @
    @omar_quraishi Please also review this when free: criticalppp.com/archives/57886

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    @
    @tammyhaq you are welcome to send in a letter or counter article
    7 hours ago

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    Our Ashura edit or recent ones on the two massacres of the Hazara in Balochistan are examples of that

  12. HRazaPK Hassan Raza
    The article by @saleem_ali is provocative and blasphemous in nature. He should respect the faith and traditions of other sects. @etribune

    Chiltan salma jafar
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    @LuluBrooklyn it’s v sensitive as these ppl are being killed so check the context plz b4 a comparison @AbdulNishapuri @etribune @saleem_ali

    HRazaPK Hassan Raza
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    @marvisirmed Please read what Saleem Ali wrote in @etribune. Calling a sacred ‘Zuljanah’ drunken horse will be provocative.

  13. Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
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    @gibranp even if the writer didnt intend to be hateful he totally came off that way. Even if its not LeJ level of hate, its still hate
    6 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
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    @gibranp trib readers arent gonna go around killing shias. But to think its kosher to mock the religious practises of shias is unacceptable
    6 hours ago

    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
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    @gibranp are you serious? That second para was insane!

    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
    Something Saleem Ali should keep in mind: bashing religious traditions that don’t impede on other people’s rights won’t do anyone any good
    8 hours ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

    Nadir_Hassan Nadir Hassan
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    @OmarWaraich holy, holy fuck. that was like David Duke writing on interracial harmony @mazdaki

  14. umairjav Umair Javed
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    @Nadir_Hassan Licence by association. In any case, i’ve rarely seen such flippancy in a trib blog, let alone an op-ed piece. amazing.
    4 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    umairjav Umair Javed
    Wonder if Saleem Ali’s a Shia and he thought writing a bigoted piece would be the same as African Americans using the N word….

  15. NasimZehra Nasim Zehra
    @omar_quraishi ET MUST apologize for publishing this outrageously offensive piece.Is this a rational/decent critique of rituals?
    52 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
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    @NasimZehra If rituals had not been criticized in history misogyny would persist. Ultrasensitivity is what gave us rash blasphemy laws
    44 minutes ago
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    @NasimZehra
    Nasim Zehra
    @saleem_ali This is a spurious comparison, as a teacher u shld b trained for a valid one..Pk blasphemy laws/ misogyny with zuljinah ritual?

  16. Chiltan salma jafar
    @Saleem_ali we expect an apology from you and from @etribune for hurting the sentiments of our Shia brothers. #ShowRespect
    1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    atiqman Atiq Rehman
    Some ppl worked up @saleem_ali oped while they spew hatred against ‘punjabi establishment’ & ‘wahabi army’ w/out proof @omar_quraishi
    1 minute ago

    HRazaPK Hassan Raza
    .@aamir_khan82 @saleem_ali I can’t even imagine how my shia friends must have felt, as many sunni families consider Zuljanah sacred.
    1 minute ago

    HRazaPK Hassan Raza
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    .@aamir_khan82 @saleem_ali @aamir_khan82 I am not a ‘Shia’ as I belong to ‘Sunni’ family, but it was provocative for me.
    3 minutes ago

    Chiltan salma jafar
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    @alisalmanalvi I already did check my time line but will do again yes @etribune @saleem_ali
    5 minutes ago

    alisalmanalvi Ali Salman Alvi
    @marvisirmed Can you plz join me in condemning @etribune for publishing a highly offensive piece against Shias by Saleem Jhangvi @saleem_ali

  17. mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @umairjav @nadir_hassan Doesn’t matter even if he is Ayatollah – he used words as bullets. The man knows squat about history #HateSpeech

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @saleem_ali Apologize for your lies and #HateSpeech @slmn0
    6 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @saleem_ali And I told u that u maligned a people & painted target on their back.You must apologize unconditionally for your vitriol & lies
    6 hours ago

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @Slmn0 there’s no logic here. @saleem_ali wouldn’t be able to spew such hate in US & keep university appointment @airtiza @abdulnishapuri

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @omar_quraishi Better part of valor will be an unconditional apology. You must have zero tolerance for #HateSpeech @etribune
    7 hours ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
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    @omar_quraishi Appreciate ur regrets but it’s not enough. @saleem_ali has peddled unsubstantiated allegations 2 malign the beleaguered Shia

  18. Correction: This article has been revised. The original version appeared in the print edition.

    ——-

    Shia-Sunni reconciliation
    By Saleem H Ali
    Published: December 8, 2011

    The writer is professor of environmental planning and Asian Studies at the University of Vermont, US. He can be followed on Twitter @saleem_ali
    Muharram is a time for reflection on many accounts. It is the start of the Islamic new year and also a time of remembrance and renewal. Unlike most other faith traditions, the start of the new year for Muslims is sombre and even melancholic in tone. The martyrdom of Imam Husain was a tragedy by any standard but let us also reflect on how this historic event has been distorted at the behest of culture to take on new heights of absurdity and masochism. It is high time Shia scholars address the malaise that has struck Muharram processions and the educated elite should not remain silent just because Shias have sadly been a persecuted minority in Pakistan.
    The same expression of sorrow can be shown in more civilised terms through prayer and reflection. Even if there is to be a procession, it can be undertaken with a certain degree of composure and respect for the spirit of the occasion. Indeed, in Iran, the headquarters of Shia tradition, using knives or chains (tatbir or qama zani) for maatam is strictly regulated. The origins of this practice in its current form can be traced to the Safavid period in the 16th century and is thus a relatively recent cultural corrosion.
    Of particular note was the ritualistic invective (tabarra) that evolved during this period, which was hurled on those companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who Shias consider to be ‘enemies’ of inherited succession, such as Hazrat Umar (RA) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA). Much of the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan can be traced back to the issue of whether or not these companions are to be respected or abused. It is high time that both Shias and Sunnis agree on mutual respect. Even if there is disagreement over history, we can move beyond such provocative displays of disfavour for each other.
    Thankfully, there have been some mainstream ulema who have tried to build bridges between Shias and Sunnis within a theological and historical context. For example, Maulana Ishaq’s sermons on Shia-Sunni unity (given in Urdu), which have hundreds of thousands of hits on YouTube, are heartening. They discourage Shias from hurling abuse but also admonish Sunnis from being emotional about respect and adoration for the sahaba, which translates into the kind of madness we saw exhibited in the Kabul suicide blasts this past week. At the same time, such unity should not come at the cost of framing the issue in terms of an adversarial relationship with non-Muslims (which is what has also happened in some of the recent displays of ostensible amity among the various madrassa ulema).
    At the end of the day, what we need is a major pan-Islamic reconciliation process between sects, particularly Shias and Sunnis. Hate speech laws must also be clearly enforced to prevent incendiary information from spreading. Whether it is the acerbic strife between the Hazara and the Pakhtuns or the insanity of Shia-Sunni violence in Iraq, there needs to be a pact for peace from the grass roots. Peace education is also desperately needed in Islamic schools — clear lessons on how to deal with dissent without getting violent. The work of Palestinian scholar Dr Mohammed Abu Nimr, on non-violent approaches to dissent within Islamic societies, may also be particularly helpful in improving ways in which Muslims improve their relations with those of other faiths.
    Let us hope that the tragic events in Kabul this past week will galvanise Pakistanis to work just as hard in resolving Shia-Sunni differences, rather than being complacent about a ‘peaceful’ Muharram on this side of the border.
    Published in The Express Tribune, December 9th, 2011.
    Correction: This article has been revised. The original version appeared in the print edition.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/303597/shia-sunni-reconciliation/

  19. Reader Comments (33)
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    Shahid Jamil
    11 hours ago
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    God bless you for writing this article. Please continue to talk about this issue in every forum that you can. Thanks.
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    faraz
    11 hours ago
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    Although I am a Sunni, but Shia have every right to perform their rituals; whether it’s a pleasant sight or not is for them to decide. Reconciliation between sects is just an amateur fantasy. Tolerance for difference of opinion is the key
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    Ali Tanoli
    11 hours ago
    Reply
    Very well and balance article well done mr.saleem ali and i do like Maulana Ishaq sahab he is
    very humble and respected person may god bless him on his efforts to bring both groups together but in one point i disagreed sir that shias are discriminated in pakistan i think u should visit our beloved next door country Iran and witniced the discrimination against sunni
    iranis peoples and i think pakistan is trully free for any group to practice there faith.
    and we should remeber this time Allam Ehsan Ellahi Zaheer sahab also who secrificed his life
    for this cause and also remeberd Allama Afif Husaini sahab too..
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    sidra
    11 hours ago
    Reply
    i am sure every single one of the people who commented on my blog negatively will love this. because this is the exact mentality of people towards Shias. This is disappointment. this is what happens when you do not agree with the other side.
    Recommend28

    Pro Bono Publico
    11 hours ago
    Reply
    Good job!
    Tabarra is the most insane institution. In one case, I had to momentarily ‘change’ my name to a non-tabarrized one in order to safely enter to do reporting on a Muharram related event. This is a shame. At least, the educated among the Shia need to revolt against it.
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    Farheen Rizvi
    11 hours ago
    Reply
    First of all this is such a shameful view you have for Azadari-Husain AS while living in a society like USA. What are u trying do in Pakistan by writing such piece. You are trying to erupt the sectarian violence in the country while living thousands of miles away.
    Second thing..if you don’t have respects or knowledge about other sects kindly sit with them and learn about it before giving your unethical views about others….
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    Timorov (Taimur Malik)
    11 hours ago
    Reply
    Bang on yet again Mr. Ali. It must also be born in mind that Shia Ulema in Iran in the post-Qajar order have strongly rebuked the practices of abusing certain Sahaba in Muharram processions, and yet we see unfortunate, inane and frankly un-Islamic emotionalism in Shia processions esp. in South Asia.
    The Fatwa of Imam Shaltut, the Chief Mufti of Al-Azhar (the most important religious institution in Sunni Islam) in the 60s that declared the Fiqh of Imam Jafar al-Sadiq as the fifth mazhab of Islam is a great starting point that the current Muslim leaders and scholars need to build on.
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    Ali
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    Apart from the mention of being peaceful to which I’m sure everyone agrees.
    I don’t think you even know what you are talking about.
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    Syed Ali
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    @ author! you have raised some very good points and I am very pleased that you mention the sermons of Maulana Ishaq who talks about the unity fo Shia, Sunni, Brelvi and Deobandi etc. But its sad to see that such a scholar of higher caliber and superior intellect has been neglected by mainstream media and his sermons are only available through internet or CD’s. Perhaps, Media likes to project only those people of scholarship who live in Lahore or Islamabad. Any gem, elsewhere, like the learnerd Maulana, who lives in a narrow street and small home in Faisalabad has to go to these cities and use some contacts to appear on regular TV.
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    Umer
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    A very well written article, Thumbs up :)
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    American
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    The basic problem in the sunni-shia-wahhabi conflict is apsotasy . when clerics approve killing of apostates it opens a whole can of worms. since many wahabbis consider shias as apostates, many come to the conclusion that murdering them is “halal” . Since apostates are considered worse than even jews or idolators.This conflict can only end if muslims recognize the equality of other sects or religions or this 1400 yr conflict will have no sign of abating.
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    Haider Azhar
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    Sir,
    I take offence from your piece simply because it starts off in a tone which in itself is disrespectful. There are no “drunk horses” or intoxication of any kind for these processions and you starting your piece with such a language only discredits the title of your piece. I won’t address the rest of the piece simply because not only is it factually inaccurate but the tone of your first two paras reflects a negative bias in your mind against Shias and you have in fact laid down all your cards within these first two paras. I have always enjoyed reading your articles but the title of your piece is not only misleading but the content and the way it has been expressed suggests anything but reconciliation.
    I posted this comment on your facebook page as well but feel that it needs to be posted here as well.
    Regards.
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    Aamir Mughal
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    For the author: Please start preaching Islam in Pentagon and US State Deptt. “not to bomb innocent people in Afghanistan”
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    Aamir Mughal
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    The author is also requested the “Polytheist” Practices amongst Sunnis, the author is also requested to define the Takfeer Mongering between sunnis mean deobandi vs wahabis, Wahabi vs Barelvis, Deobandi Vs Barlevis and above all the Prevalent Shirk all over the Sunni world e.g. Grave Worshipping e.g. Shahbaz Qalandar Shrine and Data Darbar, very easy to point finger at others. I am a pure Wahabi even so pure that can be smelt miles away .
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    You Said It
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    Wow, of all the aspects of Muharram and the Shia/Sunni differences, you see the Ashura procession as the biggest problem — got it. This article reminds me of people who say that women invite rape with revealing clothes.
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    AAZ
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    Azadari is pretty much a ritual from USA to Japan, from India to Australia. Shias, sunnis, even Hindus, Christians in some parts of the world commemorate and mourn the greatest sacrifice this humanity has always seen. Ask your forefathers about how it was 60 years ago in united India and how all communities joined together and it was a show of unity.
    20 years after Prophet (pbhu) a war within Islam killed 12000 Muslims. 50 years later, family of Prophet (pbhu)was butchered and humiliated. The “prince of Paradise” as accepted by all schools of thought within Islam.
    “Hussain is from me, and I am from Hussain” – Prophet (pbhu).
    Irrespective, Azadari will continue and be the biggest ritual performed on streets against injustice. He wants to regularize “grief” now.
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    Hassan Jawad
    10 hours ago
    Reply
    The way you’re giving the lesson of unity among the different sects of Islam is quite disrespectful and offending. You can give the same lesson with peace and harmony.
    No one can deny that unity among muslims is necessary for their prosperity. The message of Karbala contains the message of unity. It is the flag of Imam-e-Hussain that both Shias and Sunnis respect and every muslim take his part from this teachings of Karbala.
    Your view regarding Tabarra is absolutely wrong, I wish that you do your research over this topic before writing this blog. You should not conclude the things after watching some clips of people on you-tube. We need to listen to the scholars of any sect or read the authentic references for clarity of these principles.
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    Ali
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    Drunken horses being paraded through streets, with mobs of men, high on testosterone (and God knows what else), bleeding themselves to unconsciousness, is an utterly embarrassing spectacle
    It is immature of you to hurl abuses at Shia mourning and suggest for unity. Learn to respect their mourning for Grandson of our beloved Prophet SA and what you may find an embarrassing spectacle means everything to them. I am sure if Prophet SA was around he would have been more concerned about Muslim slaughtering others in the name of Islam than certain Shia mourning traditions. Sorry but I find your views extremely biased and it seems you are more focused on degrading certain Shia traditions without even understanding its background than the actual topic i.e. UNITY
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    Qureshi
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    I think yout article is offensive towards Shias when you talk about “Drunk horses” and “people high on testosterone” shows your bias towards Shias and reveals your ignorance about how much respect they accord to participating in this procession. This is the first time I have heard such a ridiculous accusation. It is the holiest day of the year for them and no one is high on anything and no one offers horse a drink. As for Tabarra, I agree that this practice should be discontinued but it does some good if one reads history and sees who started it. It was started and institutionalized during the period of Amir Mawuviya who started it against Hazrat Ali during his caliphate in Syria. The biggest historic proof of this practice being a originally Sunni tradition is in the peace treaty of Imam Hassan and Ameer Mawuviya which included a specific clause that Hazrat Ali would not be insulted in mosques after Jumma prayers as was the practice during that time. Of course the clause was adhered to by Ameer Mawuviya in breach only.
    I think people who have been talking about limiting Moharram processions and practices need to understand that they are inadvertently advocating the cause of those who show violence towards these processions and want these processions stopped. One of my friends happened to visit India recently and was shocked to see lack of security accompanying Moharram processions. It is a matter of shame that such processions are held peacefully in India whereas Pakistan, which is an Islamic country, such processions are in danger of being bombed and attacked. What a shame, my country men- what a shame. I did not want to say this but I think we need to look at the fact that how does India manage it in a peaceful manner and we can not. That is where we should be focusing on- instead of asking Shias to limit their processions to certain areas and discontinue their traditional practices and rituals etc.
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    Shahbaz Zahid
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    Where’s the dislike button?
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    Asad
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    @author
    I am offended. This is exactly the same mentality which is a major hurdle in the reconciliation betweem the two. Look at your tone in the beginning. Do you expect any shia to even consider appreciating what you have written. Your approach is way opposite from maulana ishaq. And by the way if being a muslim, if i dont like the rituals of any other religion then does it make sense for me to show my hatred againgst them in a way similar to yours
    Wake up ET and have a sense check of the articles you decide to publish
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    Rehan
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    @ Author: It looks to me you don’t have any knowledge about Shiaa’t and your knowledge is based on common hearings which are spread only for defaming purposes. Being scholar in order to prove your point and even its your duty to quote references from where this falsified information is taken about Shiaa’t. It’s my humble request to never judge any religion by just seeing its followers or the image posed by media or false rumors, followers may not be following the true teachings of their religion. You will get the true picture once you will read the authentic books and will sit with the learned scholars. Hopefully you will dig deep into Shiaa’t Islamic teachings to find the truth and will think next time about writing anything about Shiaa’t.
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    Syed Ali Raza Abidi
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    There is a limit to liberalism!
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    aceleaf
    9 hours ago
    Reply
    I am Sunni Muslim but while reading this article I thought that writer should have learnd more about cultures, religious sentiments and freedom of expression.
    Being in America or being a university teacher doesnt mean you have any right downgrade or insult a whole community.
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    Ali-wali
    8 hours ago
    Reply
    First of all there is no Shia Sunni conflict in Pakistan, secondly to label suicide bombers as Sunni is very misleading, suicide bombers belong to a sect Dalbandi or whatever and they are not mainstream Pakistani Sunnis period.
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    ahsan raza
    8 hours ago
    Reply
    Dear Saleem,
    request you to either change your subject of article or stop writing on any kind of issue without in depth knowledge. Please re-read the each word ,sentence you have written and do research as well before issuing any kind of advice/article.
    I hope you understand my point and key tip to become good WRITER.
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    Haider
    8 hours ago
    Reply
    Dear Saleem H ali, In the words of the great one “It doesn’t matter what you think
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    british muslim
    8 hours ago
    Reply
    How disappointing. Clearly you are a sunni muslim, judging from the derogatory manner in which you describe the shia muslim rituals. Yet as an academic isn’t there an ethical expectation of impartiality? Obviously you disagree with the shia muslim practices. You state that the use of knives is a 16th century/safavid corrosion. A corrosion of what? Religions aren’t formed in a vacuum. They come about in a particular culture and point in time. Don’t you know that the pagans were circumambulating the kaaba long before it became an islamic ritual? Did muslims corrode the pagan religion? I could make several points here but I will come back at a later time. So disappointing, coming from an academic.
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    faisal arshad
    8 hours ago
    Reply
    The idea of reconciliation is vague just like Akbar’s Din-e-Elahi. Common man, declare shiasm as a separate religion and i bet there will be no strife.
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    Maryam
    7 hours ago
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    @Saleem Ali, the writer: Can you please stick to your area of specialization and not write on issues of which you don’t have any idea. You should write on environmental planning in Pakistan or please don’t write.
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    Samaah Ali
    6 hours ago
    Reply
    U really need to go dig up some facts
    What the Holy Prophet would approve of or not. Please do urself a favour.. Go back to ur school of thought n take some authentic history lessons. Then come back and post ur articles. Hopefully by then you’d know why the processions are done, if the horses are drunk or why the azadaari is performed the way it is!
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    bigsaf
    5 hours ago
    Reply
    You kind of negate your message of being ‘civil’ and ‘respectful’ by being too blunt and letting your own personal view colour your commentary (drunken horses, testosterone and God knows what, lunacy, etc).
    While the bizarre rituals maybe anathema to the majority Sunni sect who may even deem it un-Islamic and be a turn-off….it still doesn’t explain the perpetual intolerance and the targeted sectarian cleansing thereafter? Debating the ritual issues pale in comparison to the intolerant reactions. Perhaps in the greater scheme of things, bigotry and violent extremism should be considered the greater malaise and more dangerous ideological evil that needs to be curbed in the Sunni-Shia reconciliation process more than the bizarre minority rituals and dispute of controversial historic figures.
    Surprisingly, you make no mention of the Sunni orthodoxy being hi-jacked by Wahhabi, Salafi or Deoband ideologies and the Takfir ideology of declaring others apostates which has fueled the charged atmosphere of religious intolerance (Shia and Sunni orthodoxies are not blameless for opening pandora’s box on their successful gang up against Ahmadis) and outright extremist terrorism, reminiscent of the historical Kharjites, even against moderate to liberal Sunnis.
    Indeed you will have scholars on Pakistan labeling the 80′s period as a ‘Sunnification’ or ‘Wahhabification’ of Pakistan.
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    Senge Sering
    5 hours ago
    Reply
    This is shocking. Please change the language. When someone starts telling others how to define and improve their culture, it reflects on a superiority complex and disrespect for other humans.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/303597/shia-sunni-reconciliation/

  20. shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    So first comments were closed and now Saleem Ali’s Shia-should-correct-themselves is gone from ET website…..

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    plus the print version whch is mch mre intolerant n full of hateful n spiteful wrds is already out! @etribune #MrSaleem #apologyisrequired !
    34 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    as @iamabbasraza also mntiond &I also jst chkd @etribune hs tken off @Mr.Saleem’s article..ths isnt wht v were lokng fr..v wnt an #apology!

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    taking off #Mr.Saleem’s article wnt do any good, caz the damage it was meant to cause wud already b done an #apology is reqd. @etribune 1/2

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    exactly thats why I say we dont want ET running away fromn this.. we want an apology! RT@HRazaPK @marvisirmed @saleem_ali

    mightyobvious Mighty
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    this is what @etribune does best, recall articles. makes u wonder who does the editing, if any RT @shahidsaeed

  21. RiazToori Riaz Ali Toori
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    Is freedom of speech mean to Abuse & Curse others for doings U dislike or Hate? @marvisirmed @aamir_khan82 @etribune @saleem_ali
    31 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    marvisirmed Marvi Sirmed
    Freedom of speech & hate speech are different RT @aamir_khan82: @etribune @saleem_ali how it works when u guys believe on freedom of speech
    37 minutes ago

    marvisirmed Marvi Sirmed
    Dear @etribune, thanks for removing offensive lines from @saleem_ali’s article, it still is in extremely bad taste and hateful. Pl apologize
    43 minutes ago

    alisalmanalvi Ali Salman Alvi
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    @marvisirmed Thanks a lot Marvi for this tweet… @saleem_ali is just a ‘soft’ image of the banned outfits like SSP and LeJ
    45 minutes ago

    marvisirmed Marvi Sirmed
    So Mr @saleem_ali, Azadari appears to you ‘absurdity and masochism’. And thus Shias should change it. How appropriate and tolerant!
    47 minutes ago

    alisalmanalvi Ali Salman Alvi
    @Maria_Memon Can you plz join me in condemning @etribune for publishing a highly offensive piece against Shias by Saleem Jhangvi @saleem_ali
    1 hour ago

    Chiltan salma jafar
    @Saleem_ali we expect an apology from you and from @etribune for hurting the sentiments of our Shia brothers. #ShowRespect

  22. mightyobvious Mighty
    @saleem_ali Don’t know you beef, but asking ppl to change their rituals to conform to YOUR notions of normality is disrespectful. #Forshame

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @iamthedrifter Basically he used Saudi sectarian arguments against Shia & their rituals ostensibly promoting sectarian harmony @razarumi

    iamthedrifter Ayesha Siddiqa
    @mazdaki @razarumi nothing odd he had earlier written abt accommodating jihadis as if thye want to be accommodated

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @iamthedrifter Basic argument is an issue too. Saying what the Prophet PBUH would say about these rituals … secular/liberal ? @razarumi
    3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @iamthedrifter He told me on phone that it was sarcasm @razarumi
    6 minutes ago

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @iamthedrifter The man has an extremely shallow grasp of both matters. Should stay in his lane @razarumi

  23. Imam Khamenei’s Fatwa Against Insulting Sahaba فتوة السيد علي الخامنئي

  24. shahpak78 Shahid Ali
    (whatever etribune published) If it was a speech by SSP mulla, we wud hv seen more names in vigorous critics list :( #Shame
    1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
    Retweeted by SamanJaf

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    Suna tha doobnay say jaan chali jaati hai #Mohsin…………. #Ishq-e-#Ali (a.s) main dooba to jaan main jaan aae! #HaqHaider
    1 hour ago

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    RT@dhooan Politics isnt inherently evil, jst lke television or the Internet aren’t inherently bad. It’s only whn its abused does it corrupt
    1 hour ago

    alisalmanalvi Ali Salman Alvi
    Please join me in condemning @etribune for publishing a highly offensive piece against Shias by Professor Saleem Jhangvi @saleem_ali
    1 hour ago
    Retweeted by SamanJaf

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    lvng abroad,creatng hate is cndmn able.wnt efct us bt wil incite hate in already #emofragile soceity! #Pakistan #Saleem #shame @etribune
    1 hour ago

    SamanJaf Saman Jafri
    your hateful and spiteful write ups arguments or comments wont put a dent in the #growing numbers of the #Azadars.. #SaleemYazidi #Pakisatan
    1 hour ago

    NasimZehra Nasim Zehra
    @
    @omar_quraishi Not about being hurt,its abt spreading intolerance. Strident/harsh toned critique on sensitive issues inflames emotions.

  25. shahidsaeed Shahid Saeed
    @thekarachikid not on google cache either. i’m sorry to send you to this site pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/hat… – can get from epaper i guess?

    Let’s blame the prosecution: On urban liberals’ reaction to Malik Ishaq’s release
    http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/lets-blame-the-prosecution-on-urban-liberals-reaction-to-malik-ishaqs-release/

  26. Apology
    Published: December 9, 2011

    We regret the inadvertent publication of the article titled “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” by Saleem Ali.
    We regret the inadvertent publication of the article titled “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” by Saleem Ali in our print edition of December 9, 2011 and subsequently on our website.
    The article was published without exercising proper editorial judgment. We apologise for the mistake and to our readers whose religious sentiments were hurt. We will not be taking any more articles from this writer. The article has been removed from the website
    Editor

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/304100/apology/

  27. omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    @
    @casanovamaveric @jaafernaqvi @marvisirmed @saleem_ali @etribune tribune.com.pk/story/304100/a…
    8 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    etribune The Express Tribune
    (Op-ed) Clarification: “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” by Saleem Ali has been removed from our website tribune.com.pk/story/304100/a… #Pakistan
    34 minutes ago
    Retweeted by omar_quraishi

    omar_quraishi omar r quraishi
    @
    @mightyobvious the piece is no longer on the site

  28. Razarumi Raza Rumi
    @
    @gibranp IMHO, such writings can be offensive 2 ppl; editorial discretion is imperative. @etribune shud B last paper 2 do this! @NasimZehra
    54 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    shehryar_taseer Shehryar Taseer
    Agree”@marvisirmed: ET @etribune must apologize for the hateful article in today’s print issue, against Shias.Please publish it prominently.

    alisalmanalvi Ali Salman Alvi
    A punch in the face of LeJ’s promoter Saleem Ali Jhangvi tribune.com.pk/story/304100/a… @etribune won’t be taking any more articles from this moron.

  29. abbasnasir59 Abbas Nasir
    @airtiza Apologies. I half read the intro and commented. Horrified to read the rest. Offensive to say the least.

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @abbasnasir59 Really? The intro is well argued? @abidhussayn @mazdaki @omar_quraishi

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    I don’t know what this mentally derailed freak @abdulnishapuri (also uses @laibaah1) is trying to achieve by calling @abbasnasir59 anti-shia

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @mightyobvious FoS ki kya baat ho rahi hai? Yeh Laibaah/Nishapuri chut ka maraba hai. Inn say baat kerna fazool hai. @UroojZia

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @
    @Laibaah1 Grow a pair and engage with your real name nishapuri before you continue with your slander of nice people.
    2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    BanoMalik Khadija Bano Malik
    @
    @SamadK Jao apnay mooch ka kuch kero. @shahidsaeed
    3 minutes ago

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @
    @mightyobvious FoS ki kya baat ho rahi hai? Yeh Laibaah/Nishapuri chut ka maraba hai. Inn say baat kerna fazool hai. @UroojZia

    aamir_khan82 Aamir Nawaz Khan
    @
    @SamadK Laibaah n Nishapuri are propaganda guns :)
    9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @
    @mightyobvious Ignore Fauzia Wahab’s deranged offspring. @SamadK @abbasnasir59 @gibranp

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @
    @mightyobvious Boss I have only condemned, not justified the piece. @UroojZia @abbasnasir59 @gibranp
    16 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    mightyobvious Mighty
    @
    @SamadK @UroojZia @abbasnasir59 @gibranp I’m not talking abt the piece, I’m talking abt FoSpeech
    15 minutes ago

    UroojZia Urooj Zia
    @
    @mightyobvious Where have I justified anything? My timeline is public. Parh toh liya kero, yaar. Ajeeb. @SamadK @abbasnasir59 @gibranp

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    Last night @abdulnishapuri was comparing @abbasnasir59 to Malik Ishaq. Now calls him a Shia-phobe twitter.com/#!/Laibaah1/st… pic.twitter.com/Vsc2q3He
    18 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    I don’t know what this mentally derailed freak @abdulnishapuri (also uses @laibaah1) is trying to achieve by calling @abbasnasir59 anti-shia

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @
    @mightyobvious You are taking this insane asshole @abdulnishapuri/@laibaah1 too seriously. He’s insane, dangerous & needs treatment badly.

  30. NadeemfParacha Nadeem F. Paracha
    Ritualism has nothing to do with rationalism. So how can one faith’s or sect’s rituals be more rational than the other’s?

    Amna_Kausar Amna Kausar
    Saleem Ali’s article in #ExpressTribune is nothing but a piece of wholesome bigotry.

    jaafernaqvi Jaafer Tayyar Naqvi
    @saleem_ali On serious note, what had “Drunken horse” and “high on testosterone” has to do with “Sunni-Shia reconciliation”. Waiting….

  31. econbuddy Yasin Janjua
    good that Pakblogzine has preserved Saleem Ali’s article bit.ly/uQ6EEa for us to judge, Prof may lose his job as well, I can predict
    10 minutes ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

    econbuddy Yasin Janjua
    @
    @omar_quraishi @alisalmanalvi @marvisirmed @saleem_ali @Laibaah1 Apology OK, why remove, ask readers to send back print edition as well

    econbuddy Yasin Janjua
    RT @econbuddy: Apology bit.ly/sTvi19 @etribune @kaalakawaa @saleem_ali environmentalist shall do what they can do best

  32. aamir_khan82 Aamir Nawaz Khan
    Twitter walon ney #SaleemAli k sath gang rape kia, izzat loot li uski :)

  33. AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    Increasingly #Shia in #Pakistan are killed going about the daily business of life. This is not sectarian strife but targeted killing: @HRW

    AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    Human Rights Watch has documented unprecedented threats to life and security faced by members of the #Shia sect in Pakistan.

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    Special #FF to @Laibaah1 who took a bold, first stance on Saleem Ali’s hate article published in @etribune bit.ly/rH1RfZ

    RumaisaMohani Rumaisa Mohani
    Special #FF to @Laibaah1 who took a bold, first stance on Saleem Ali hate article published in @etribune bit.ly/rH1RfZ / @airtiza #Pakistan

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    #FF to @Laibaah1 for her bold stance against #Yazidi descendant @Saleem_Ali and today’s #MalikIshaq #Ssp & #Lej supporter @ Samadk

    naeemshamim Naeem Shamim
    #FF @Laibaah1 for this is her second manifestation , her handle @Laibaah was reported by the Pakistani urban burger fake liberals

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Special #FF to @Laibaah1 who took a bold, first stance on Saleem Ali’s hate article published in @etribune bit.ly/rH1RfZ

    MureedBizenjo Mureed Bizenjo
    I salute the Bold stance of True liberals here who stood against anti-shia #HateSpeech, & Pity those who showed their real face

    MureedBizenjo Mureed Bizenjo
    @Laibaah1 Collective and Honest efforts are never in vain tribune.com.pk/story/304100/a…

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    @
    @atifahmads Together we will be sucesful against the #Yazidis of today & fake liberals supporting #SSP #Lej like #SamadKhurum @Laibaah1

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    @
    @Laibaah1 Together v wil take bold stance against fake liberals & work for da minorities.Together v r on human rights & non-discrimination

  34. airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @jaafernaqvi I can smell ‘nasb’ & ‘nasab’ from a distance ;) SamadK smells of nasb, hence reveals his nasab! (nasb = root word for nasibi)

    jaafernaqvi Jaafer Tayyar Naqvi
    @airtiza well said. :) @SamadK

    mughalbha Aamir Mughal
    @mazdaki @Razarumi My Hero is Samad Khurram pic.twitter.com/kzlCJdTF

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @Laibaah1 Grow a pair and engage with your real name before you continue with your slander of nice people.

    AsadNasir80 asad nasir
    @SamadK explain yourself! RT @Laibaah1: @dorkydoc @asadnasir80 Pakistani Tweeples slam pro-JI homophobe Samad Khurram wp.me/p1joLZ-9It

    SamadK Samad Khurram
    @mightyobvious You are taking this insane asshole @abdulnishapuri/@laibaah1 too seriously. He’s insane, dangerous & needs treatment badly.

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Vermin is trying to be politically correct! LOL RT @SamadK Really glad that @etribune took down that article…

    HaiderKarrar Syed Haider Karrar
    #FF to @Laibaah1 for her bold stance against #Yazidi descendant @Saleem_Ali and today’s #MalikIshaq #Ssp & #Lej supporter @ Samadk

  35. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Greetings Friends. The article removed by @etribune has been published on my blog with MSNBC @newsvine: bit.ly/tMpe3M

    _Amirz Muhammad Aamir Azher
    Anyone intereted can read the article now on the personal page of @saleem_ali here http://t.co/jI3LTDJo looking forward to the rejoinder.

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Greetings Friends. The article removed by @etribune has been published on my blog with MSNBC @newsvine: bit.ly/tMpe3M
    17 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @tammyhaq @NasimZehra Here is my full record of writing at ET: Tell me why I deserve removal as a writer? bit.ly/vJUPfZ
    39 minutes ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @tammyhaq @NasimZehra Do you support ET banning me as a writer which is what they have done? Is this what #Pakistan has come to? Tragic
    51 minutes ago

  36. srazikazmi Razi Kazmi
    @saleem_ali’s article finally removed from @etribune, he jst avoidd writing #ShiaKafir, rest he trifled w/ampleness of his trivial thoughts.

  37. AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Saleem Ali is adamant at spreading anti-Shia hate speech. Has republished the hate article on his blog with a selective pic of Shias. Shame!

    …………

    Shia-Sunni Reconciliation and Rituals
    Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:41 AM EST
    pakistan, religion, sunni, islam, shia
    By Saleem H. Ali

    Can such rituals be criticized?

    advertisement

    This article created a firestorm of anger when it was published by the Express Tribune (ET) in Pakistan who ended up removing it from their web site. It was a test of free speech in Pakistan and it is clear that the country is still stuck in a time warp of religious hypersensitivity. I wrote a rejoinder to address the choice of language and to clarify (and to apologize if hurt was caused) but that has not been published yet. ET have said on their site that they will not take any more articles from me. In my view we will never be able to resolve religious conflicts if both Shias and Sunnis continue to show such theological rigidity and not question their rituals. I will keep working on constructive confrontation as a means of peace-building. I will publish the rejoinder article here in a few days. Also, culture needs to change in all religious societies. It cannot be used as an excuse for ossification of rituals. I would do the same for many other rituals in other Faiths as well. My goal is not to disparage any faith and I have always respected the rights of minorities which is clear from my record as a writer, including one of my books on Islam and Education. My goal is rather to challenge the ritual manifestations that go against basic humanity. We need to develop a common humanistic culture as well.

    http://saleemali.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/09/9322566-shia-sunni-reconciliation-and-rituals

  38. srazikazmi Razi Kazmi
    Mr. Conflict resolutionist Saleem Ali’s suffering from severe #Shiaphobia… #SaleemAli #kabulblast #moharam #Ashura

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @saleem_ali puts sanitized version of his anti-Shia drivel on web bit.ly/sJbVOb knows 1st Amendment won’t protect lies #hypocrisy

    jaafernaqvi Jaafer Tayyar Naqvi
    @saleem_ali Because you showed your real bigoted face after getting a solid base in ET. @tammyhaq @NasimZehra
    2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @etribune apologizes 4 @saleem_ali ‘s hateful article & removes article & Prof Saleem Ali goo.gl/GJPmJ Thank you @omar_quraishi /ET

  39. Sanitized version on Saleem Ali’s blog without any clarification, apology or explanation:

    Shia-Sunni Reconciliation and Rituals
    Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:41 AM EST
    religion, pakistan, islam, sunni, shia
    By Saleem H. Ali

    Can such rituals be criticized?

    advertisement

    This article created a firestorm of anger when it was published by the Express Tribune (ET) in Pakistan who ended up removing it from their web site. It was a test of free speech in Pakistan and it is clear that the country is still stuck in a time warp of religious hypersensitivity. I wrote a rejoinder to address the choice of language and to clarify (and to apologize if hurt was caused) but that has not been published yet. ET have said on their site that they will not take any more articles from me. In my view we will never be able to resolve religious conflicts if both Shias and Sunnis continue to show such theological rigidity and not question each others’ rituals. I will keep working on constructive confrontation as a means of peace-building. Holding hands and singing will not birng peace — we need to deal with the toughest issues no matter how painful. I will publish the rejoinder article here in a few days. Also, culture needs to change in all religious societies. It cannot be used as an excuse for ossification of rituals. I would do the same for many other rituals in other Faiths as well. My goal is not to disparage any faith and I have always respected the rights of minorities which is clear from my record as a writer, including one of my books on Islam and Education. My goal is rather to challenge the ritual manifestations that go against basic humanity. We need to develop a common humanistic culture as well.

    Muharram is a time for reflection on many accounts. It is the start of the Islamic New Year but also a time of remembrance and renewal. Unlike most other faith traditions, the start of the new year for Muslims is somber and even melancholic in tone. The martyrdom of Imam Husain was a tragedy by any standard but let us also reflect on how this historic event has been distorted at the behest of culture to take on new heights of absurdity and masochism. It is high time Shia scholars address the malaise that has struck Muharram processions and the educated elite should not remain silent just because Shias have sadly been a persecuted minority in Pakistan.

    Horses being paraded through streets with mobs of men, and even children as young as 5, bleeding themselves to unconsciousness, is an utterly embarrassing spectacle. I dare say the noble Imam would not have wanted his sacrifice to be remembered with such customs, which are indeed a danger to public health and communion. The same expression of sorrow can be shown in more civilized terms through prayer and reflection. Even if there is to be a procession, it can be undertaken with a certain degree of composure and respect for the spirit of the occasion. Indeed, in Iran, the headquarters of Shia tradition, using knives or chains (Tatbir or Qama Zani) for Maatam is strictly regulated. The origins of this practice in its current form can be traced to the Safavid period in the sixteenth century and is thus a relatively recent cultural corrosion.

    Of particular note was the ritualistic invective (Tabarra) that evolved during this period, which was hurled on those companions of the Prophet Muhammad that Shias consider to be “enemies” of inherited succession such as Umar and Abu Bakr. Much of the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan can be traced back to the issue of whether or not these companions are to be respected or abused. It is high time that both Shias and Sunnis agree on mutual respect. Even if there is disagreement over history, we can move beyond such provocative displays of disfavor for each other.

    Thankfully there have been some mainstream ulama who have tried to build bridges between Shias and Sunnis within a theological and historical context. For example, Maulana Ishaq’s sermons on Shia-Sunni unity (given in Urdu) which have hundreds of thousands of hits on Youtube are heartening. They discourage Shias from hurling abuse but also admonish Sunnis from being emotional about respect and adoration for the Sahaba which translates into the kind of madness we saw exhibited in the Kabul suicide blasts this past week. At the same time, such unity should not come at the cost of framing the issue in terms of adversarial relationship with non-Muslims (which is what has also happened in some of the recent displays of ostensible amity among the various madrassa ulama).

    At the end of the day, what we need is a major pan-Islamic reconciliation process between sects, particularly Shias and Sunnis. Hate speech laws must also be clearly enforced to prevent incendiary information from spreading. Whether it is the acerbic strife between the Hazara or the Pakhtuns or the insanity of Shia-Sunni violence in Iraq, there needs to be a pact for peace from the grassroots. Peace education is also desperately needed in Islamic schools — clear lessons on how to deal with dissent without getting violent. The work of Palestinian scholar Dr. Mohammed Abu Nimr on nonviolent approaches to dissent within Islamic societies may be particularly helpful in improving ways in which Muslims improve their relations with other faiths.

    Let us hope that the tragic events in Kabul this past week will galvanize Pakistanis to work just as hard in resolving Shia-Sunni differences, rather than being complacent about a “peaceful” Muharram on this side of the border.

    http://saleemali.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/09/9322566-shia-sunni-reconciliation-and-rituals

  40. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @airtiza @mazdaki I have noted and apologized about the statement in question on the blog. Read again and stop harassing me

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @saleem_ali You can abuse, mock & ridicule millions, & they shouldn’t even ‘harass’ you? Do you even know what harass means? #Liar @mazdaki

    casanovamaveric Zain Ali Raza Siyal
    Don’t bother apologizing if you’re just going to continue doing the things you said sorry for. @saleem_ali @etribune #HatredSpeech

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    “Intellectually we stand on an island…amidst an illimitable sea of inexplicability” T.H. Huxley #Quotes

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @saleem_ali You have no shame or ethics Saleem .I feel sorry for your students. Now go away & don’t use the word harassment again @airtiza

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @MichaelKugelman Would love to chat with you sometime soon on @etribune censorship issue and the dire state of #Pakistan’s “liberal” elite
    1 hour ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    So thankful for #USA where people know difference between constructive criticism and #HateSpeeech and laws that protect personal defamation

    pejamistri pejamistri
    @
    @AbdulNishapuri The “professor” equates the madness of killing 50+ people in Kabul to “absurdity” of tatbir & qamar zani..

    airtiza Syed Ali Irtiza
    @
    @mazdaki I am really surprised Taqi bhai. Hypocrisy is worse than bigotry. @saleem_ali is not only a bigot but also a liar. Worse than LeJ.

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @
    @airtiza Intellectual dishonesty by @saleem_ali apparently knows no bounds & he cribs about free speech. Lies aren’t free speech

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    @
    @SadatHasanManto ‘people high on God knows what’. @saleem_ali removed that bit in his US web publication because it’s a legal liability

  41. Razarumi Raza Rumi
    .@mazdaki Sir, may I request that much has bn said on article by @saleem_ali . He has apologized as well. Let’s try & giv him const feedback

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @Razarumi Has he apologized? Did you read the note on his blog? He IS adamant! @mazdaki @saleem_ali

    …………

    Shia-Sunni Reconciliation and Rituals
    Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:41 AM EST
    pakistan, religion, sunni, islam, shia
    By Saleem H. Ali

    Can such rituals be criticized?

    advertisement

    This article created a firestorm of anger when it was published by the Express Tribune (ET) in Pakistan who ended up removing it from their web site. It was a test of free speech in Pakistan and it is clear that the country is still stuck in a time warp of religious hypersensitivity. I wrote a rejoinder to address the choice of language and to clarify (and to apologize if hurt was caused) but that has not been published yet. I have made some minor edits to the language in original article out of respect (but not out of fear). In the rush to write we can all be sometimes negligent and I recognize that the choice of words in describing some of the rituals was insensitive but certainly not hateful. To show due respect and in a spirit of amity I have removed the language which described the state of the mourners in the procession as “high on testosterone” (and God knows what else).” In retrospect this was indeed an inappropriate statement and I apologize unconditionally for use of that statement. ET have said on their site that they will not take any more articles from me. In my view we will never be able to resolve religious conflicts if both Shias and Sunnis continue to show such theological rigidity and not question each others’ rituals. I will keep working on constructive confrontation as a means of peace-building. Holding hands and singing will not birng peace — we need to deal with the toughest issues no matter how painful. I will publish the rejoinder article here in a few days. Also, culture needs to change in all religious societies. It cannot be used as an excuse for ossification of rituals. I would do the same for many other rituals in other Faiths as well. My goal is not to disparage any faith and I have always respected the rights of minorities which is clear from my record as a writer, including one of my books on Islam and Education. My goal is rather to challenge the ritual manifestations that go against basic humanity. We need to develop a common humanistic culture as well.

    Muharram is a time for reflection on many accounts. It is the start of the Islamic New Year but also a time of remembrance and renewal. Unlike most other faith traditions, the start of the new year for Muslims is somber and even melancholic in tone. The martyrdom of Imam Husain was a tragedy by any standard but let us also reflect on how this historic event has been distorted at the behest of culture to take on new heights of absurdity and masochism. It is high time Shia scholars address the malaise that has struck Muharram processions and the educated elite should not remain silent just because Shias have sadly been a persecuted minority in Pakistan.

    Horses being paraded through streets with mobs of men, and even children as young as 5, bleeding themselves to unconsciousness, is an utterly embarrassing spectacle. I dare say the noble Imam would not have wanted his sacrifice to be remembered with such customs, which are indeed a danger to public health and communion. The same expression of sorrow can be shown in more civilized terms through prayer and reflection. Even if there is to be a procession, it can be undertaken with a certain degree of composure and respect for the spirit of the occasion. Indeed, in Iran, the headquarters of Shia tradition, using knives or chains (Tatbir or Qama Zani) for Maatam is strictly regulated. The origins of this practice in its current form can be traced to the Safavid period in the sixteenth century and is thus a relatively recent cultural corrosion.

    Of particular note was the ritualistic invective (Tabarra) that evolved during this period, which was hurled on those companions of the Prophet Muhammad that Shias consider to be “enemies” of inherited succession such as Umar and Abu Bakr. Much of the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan can be traced back to the issue of whether or not these companions are to be respected or abused. It is high time that both Shias and Sunnis agree on mutual respect. Even if there is disagreement over history, we can move beyond such provocative displays of disfavor for each other.

    Thankfully there have been some mainstream ulama who have tried to build bridges between Shias and Sunnis within a theological and historical context. For example, Maulana Ishaq’s sermons on Shia-Sunni unity (given in Urdu) which have hundreds of thousands of hits on Youtube are heartening. They discourage Shias from hurling abuse but also admonish Sunnis from being emotional about respect and adoration for the Sahaba which translates into the kind of madness we saw exhibited in the Kabul suicide blasts this past week. At the same time, such unity should not come at the cost of framing the issue in terms of adversarial relationship with non-Muslims (which is what has also happened in some of the recent displays of ostensible amity among the various madrassa ulama).

    At the end of the day, what we need is a major pan-Islamic reconciliation process between sects, particularly Shias and Sunnis. Hate speech laws must also be clearly enforced to prevent incendiary information from spreading. Whether it is the acerbic strife between the Hazara or the Pakhtuns or the insanity of Shia-Sunni violence in Iraq, there needs to be a pact for peace from the grassroots. Peace education is also desperately needed in Islamic schools — clear lessons on how to deal with dissent without getting violent. The work of Palestinian scholar Dr. Mohammed Abu Nimr on nonviolent approaches to dissent within Islamic societies may be particularly helpful in improving ways in which Muslims improve their relations with other faiths.

    Let us hope that the tragic events in Kabul this past week will galvanize Pakistanis to work just as hard in resolving Shia-Sunni differences, rather than being complacent about a “peaceful” Muharram on this side of the border.
    http://saleemali.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/09/9322566-shia-sunni-reconciliation-and-rituals

  42. ET has amended the apology. They have taken back their decision to ban Saleem Ali:

    Apology
    Published: December 9, 2011

    We regret the inadvertent publication of the article titled “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” by Saleem Ali.
    We regret the inadvertent publication of the article titled “Shia-Sunni reconciliation” by Saleem H Ali of Burlington, VT, US, in our print edition of December 9, 2011 and subsequently on our website. The article was immediately removed from the website.
    The article was published without exercising proper editorial judgment. We sincerely apologise for the mistake to our readers whose religious sentiments were hurt.
    Editor
    Published in The Express Tribune, December 10th, 2011.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/304100/apology/

  43. cpyala Cafe Pyala
    @
    The writer of the oped, who appar still doesn’t get what the fuss is about, has been banned from ET. Big apology tomorr. @mehreenkasana

    anthonypermal Anthony Permal
    Also, Omar’s initial response wasn’t good either. ‘Write a post in response’ :P @cpyala @tammyhaq

    shobz Shoaib Taimur
    @
    @cpyala i also heard that SL was fuming blood and everyone was stressed out this morning.

    cpyala Cafe Pyala
    Appar ET is in turmoil after that offensive oped piece by Saleem Ali this morning. Oped editor has been sent on forced leave.

    cpyala Cafe Pyala
    Saleem Ali calls it “a test of free speech in Pakistan” which “liberal elite” have appar flunked. SA is not just clueless. Arrogant too.

  44. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Those who blew this out of proportion like @NasimZehra responsible if some guy harms me or my family. Hate mails calling me Yazid, etc.
    2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    Based on incendiary emails sent to my university by “victimized” Shia brethren, they are offering me police protection. Thanks @Laibaah1
    3 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    So emails have declared that I am like @SalmanRushdie. Fatwas to follow soon. Bravo tolerance and free speech #Pakistan #Hatespeech

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @saleem_ali Despite your hate speech against a mass murdered community, I condemn anyone threatening you with violence (if that is true).

  45. saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    With a population of over a billion, it is unsustainable to do same #Muslim rituals that worked in 7th century: #Think #Ijtihad #Islam
    2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    BTW, I am also in favor of ijtihad on #Qurbani at Eid-ul-Adha: do financial charity rather than animal slaughtering. Bring on the fatwas!

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @techlahore I would rather have this discussion via email if you like. Dont want to crowd my TL on one issue. Thanks and Peace
    7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @techlahore Libel refers to individual defamation if one is not a public personality. Criticism of a ritual is a practice not a person
    7 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @techlahore Would critics apply same standard to writers who trash USA, endangering US citizens in PK but US emb. would never ask for “ban”
    8 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @
    @techlahore My record on efforts at peace-building is clear. I used insensitive language and apologized but my intentions was introspection
    8 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @techlahore Criticism of rituals is not #hatespeech in context with clear rejection of violence. Spoken to lawyer about that and libel too
    8 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    So proud of students @Cornell_Univ where I served as visiting critic this semester. Excellent job with environmental plans for #DMZ
    8 hours ago

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    @techlahore Ritual practices of all faiths are routinely criticized in USA (See @ACLU site) – Norms different in PK. I have learned “lesson”

    —–

    techlahore techlahore
    @
    @saleem_ali How can a ritual be “high” – you were alleging mourners are “high” – please be honest.
    8 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    techlahore techlahore
    @
    @saleem_ali Confused. Isn’t libel when u allege that Shias r “high on God knows what else”. Is that FACT or LIBEL? What does ur lawyer say?
    8 hours ago

    techlahore techlahore
    @
    @saleem_ali For each ACLU there’s an ADL Let’s not BS. U realize stuff u allege is used by SSP to justify shia murder. Get some perspective.
    8 hours ago

    techlahore techlahore
    @
    @saleem_ali Try criticizing jewish practices in exactly the same words & let’s see how long the gratitude lasts. #hatespeech

  46. abbasnasir59 Abbas Nasir
    And while airborne, separated from Twitter, I am told I’ve been called Maliq Ishaq and a Shia phobe. Am I jetlagged or it’s actually true?

    cpyala Cafe Pyala
    @abbasnasir59 Haha. Even without knowing anything abt it, I can almost guess by which entity.

  47. FiveRupees Five Rupees
    @
    @gibranp Yes I understand that, but they are published by and hosted on the paper’s website. That matters.
    7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    FiveRupees Five Rupees
    @
    @gibranp That said, some of their stuff is good. But so much isn’t. And this “it’ll get people talking” strategy has finally backfired.
    7 hours ago

    FiveRupees Five Rupees
    @
    @gibranp You’re entitled to your view. I regularly read the rubbish that passes for their opeds + blogs. Designed almost solely for clicks.
    7 hours ago

    FiveRupees Five Rupees
    @
    @cpyala Really not surprised. ExTrib always seem to be in the business of stirring things up rather than real analysis. Caught up to them.

  48. mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    Saleem Ali’s hate piece was removed from etribune but cross posted in many other blogs including PakistanBlogzine along w/ Urdu translation.

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    I request Pakistan Blogzine to remove the article before it hits the height of fame. Wahan Piyo Tou Halal Hai, Yahan Piyo Tou Haram Hai!

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    RT @ Darveshh Can you please explain @Laibaah1 why you cross-posted Ali Salim’s article on Pakistanblogzine?

    ———

    Abdul Khaliq Hazara and the ethnic cleansing narrative – by Marya Mushtaq
    http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/abdul-khaliq-hazara-and-the-ethnic-cleansing-narrative-by-marya-mushtaq/

    ——–

    Darveshh Darvesh
    The question did not aim to offend you, or, for that matter, anyone else. I get it now. Thanks. @Laibaah1 @airtiza

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @Darveshh Most of the insults hurled at Ali, Hasan and Hussain are documented in history. Do you fail to see the purpose? @airtiza
    35 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @Darveshh Historical archiving, critical comments & reaction, specimen of email, all of that is in the post. Is it mere cross-post? @airtiza
    37 minutes ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
    @
    @Darveshh Do you not see the purpose? While I ignored a tout of Abdul Khaliq Hazara, I am surprised you are asking this. @airtiza

  49. @Ruhina Hashmi:
    You are Hashmi and you don’t even know the history. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was borned in the same Bani Hashim tribe which was most respectable tribe in the entire Arab. Hazrat Imam Hussain also belongs to the same tribe. Read the history, hopefully will be painful job for people like you. At the time of Hussain’s birth, the last prophet of Islam & Muslim cried. It is mentioned in “SAHA SATTA”, the most respectable books for all the muslim after Quran.
    Like others, Islam is not slaved to your definition of universal religion. I will request you to pls read the history, which definitely will help you to understand the bitter truth.
    And i would also like to ask you to pls elaborate that what was left for “Reconciliation” after hurting to certain believes, no matter whether it was rite or wrong, in the article.
    It is the universal practice that when you talk about reconciliation, you put all the differences aside instead of fueling them. But, columnist approach was all together different and that is why it sparked a battle of words. Hoping, this piece will also not offend you.

  50. Shia-Sunni Reconciliation and Rituals
    Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:41 AM EST
    pakistan, religion, sunni, islam, shia
    By Saleem H. Ali

    Can such rituals be criticized?

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    This article created a firestorm of anger when it was published by the Express Tribune (ET) in Pakistan who ended up removing it from their web site. It was a test of free speech in Pakistan and it is clear that the country is still stuck in a time warp of religious hypersensitivity. I wrote a rejoinder to address the choice of language and to clarify (and to apologize if hurt was caused) but that has not been published yet. I have made some minor edits to the language in original article out of respect (but not out of fear). In the rush to write we can all be sometimes negligent and I recognize that the choice of words in describing some of the rituals was insensitive but certainly not hateful. To show due respect and in a spirit of amity I have removed the language which described the state of the mourners in the procession as “high on testosterone” (and God knows what else).” In retrospect this was indeed an inappropriate statement and I apologize unconditionally for use of that statement.

    However, in my view we will never be able to resolve religious conflicts if both Shias and Sunnis continue to show such theological rigidity and not question each others’ rituals that are divisive or which infringe on collective rights to public order and health. All I asked for was for Shias and Sunnis to examine their own rituals that perpetuate divisions. If we are not introspective and self-critical on these issues will never be resolved. Educated shias and sunnis have to work to push reform in each others’ theologies. I will keep working on constructive confrontation as a means of peace-building but always strive to learn from my mistakes in process.

    We need to deal with the toughest issues no matter how painful. Also, culture needs to change in all religious societies. It cannot be used as an excuse for ossification of rituals. I would do the same for many other rituals in other Faiths as well. My goal is not to disparage any faith and I have always respected the rights of minorities which is clear from my record as a writer, including one of my books on Islam and Education. My goal is rather to challenge the ritual manifestations that go against basic humanity. Being a minority does not give one the right to a particular ritual or immunity from criticism. Indeed, the critique of these rituals led to their stricter regulation in Iran itself where Shias are a majority (and where conversely they are often blamed for persecuting minorities such as Bahais or Zoroastrians).

    I appreciate also the constructive feedback I received regarding historical material sent by some readers regarding the practice of tabarra which also has Sunni roots (but that does not make it right either). I am always willing and eager to learn multiple views of history but must always maintain that our basic commitment should be to a better future rather than being anchored in the past. Interestingly the very first oped I wrote for a Pakistani paper six years ago was on the topic of The Persistence and Peril of Memory.

    In retrospect, I should have been more vigilant regarding my choice of words in the first two paragraphs. Writers must try their best to generate more light than heat but despite our best intentions sometimes incandescence of prose prevents such clear differentiation. Humility in matters of learning, and a constant struggle towards a truly humanistic culture must be our collective goal. I hope we all learn from this experience to improve our conduct towards each other but also towards the greater cause of questioning rituals.

    Muharram is a time for reflection on many accounts. It is the start of the Islamic New Year but also a time of remembrance and renewal. Unlike most other faith traditions, the start of the new year for Muslims is somber and even melancholic in tone. The martyrdom of Imam Husain was a tragedy by any standard but let us also reflect on how this historic event has been distorted at the behest of culture to take on new heights of absurdity and masochism. It is high time Shia scholars address the malaise that has struck Muharram processions and the educated elite should not remain silent just because Shias have sadly been a persecuted minority in Pakistan.

    Horses being paraded through streets with mobs of men, and even children as young as 5, bleeding themselves to unconsciousness, is an utterly embarrassing spectacle. I dare say the noble Imam would not have wanted his sacrifice to be remembered with such customs, which are indeed a danger to public health and communion. The same expression of sorrow can be shown in more civilized terms through prayer and reflection. Even if there is to be a procession, it can be undertaken with a certain degree of composure and respect for the spirit of the occasion. Indeed, in Iran, the headquarters of Shia tradition, using knives or chains (Tatbir or Qama Zani) for Maatam is strictly regulated. The origins of this practice in its current form can be traced to the Safavid period in the sixteenth century and is thus a relatively recent cultural corrosion.

    Of particular note was the ritualistic invective (Tabarra) that evolved during this period, which was hurled on those companions of the Prophet Muhammad that Shias consider to be “enemies” of inherited succession such as Umar and Abu Bakr. Much of the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan can be traced back to the issue of whether or not these companions are to be respected or abused. It is high time that both Shias and Sunnis agree on mutual respect. Even if there is disagreement over history, we can move beyond such provocative displays of disfavor for each other.

    Thankfully there have been some mainstream ulama who have tried to build bridges between Shias and Sunnis within a theological and historical context. For example, Maulana Ishaq’s sermons on Shia-Sunni unity (given in Urdu) which have hundreds of thousands of hits on Youtube are heartening. They discourage Shias from hurling abuse but also admonish Sunnis from being emotional about respect and adoration for the Sahaba which translates into the kind of madness we saw exhibited in the Kabul suicide blasts this past week. At the same time, such unity should not come at the cost of framing the issue in terms of adversarial relationship with non-Muslims (which is what has also happened in some of the recent displays of ostensible amity among the various madrassa ulama).

    At the end of the day, what we need is a major pan-Islamic reconciliation process between sects, particularly Shias and Sunnis. Hate speech laws must also be clearly enforced to prevent incendiary information from spreading. Whether it is the acerbic strife between the Hazara or the Pakhtuns or the insanity of Shia-Sunni violence in Iraq, there needs to be a pact for peace from the grassroots. Peace education is also desperately needed in Islamic schools — clear lessons on how to deal with dissent without getting violent. The work of Palestinian scholar Dr. Mohammed Abu Nimr on nonviolent approaches to dissent within Islamic societies may be particularly helpful in improving ways in which Muslims improve their relations with other faiths.

    Let us hope that the tragic events in Kabul this past week will galvanize Pakistanis to work just as hard in resolving Shia-Sunni differences, rather than being complacent about a “peaceful” Muharram on this side of the border.

    http://saleemali.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/09/9322566-shia-sunni-reconciliation-and-rituals

    Update: 10 December 2011

  51. A tout of ISI’s tout Abdul Khaliq Hazara now praising Saleem Ali

    MeeraGhani Meera Ghani
    @saleem_ali thanks @mSaleemJaved @muslim4reform @Malik_73 @mrszkhan @Timurid_Malik @Chiltan #FF

    saleem_ali Saleem Ali
    #FF @mSaleemJaved @meeraghani @muslim4reform @Malik_73 @mrszkhan @Timurid_Malik @Chiltan New twitter friends

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    @AhmadShuja It was hypocritical & opportunistic posture to harass @saleem_ali after he apologized and made the amendments @mazdaki @Razarum

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    I had no issue other than choice of words.:P RT @AhmadShuja: @saleem_ali responds: bit.ly/un9EZ7 CC @mazdaki @mSaleemJaved @Razarum

    AhmadShuja Ahmad Shuja
    @saleem_ali responds: bit.ly/un9EZ7 CC @mazdaki @mSaleemJaved @Razarum

    mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
    @saleem_ali Good and a balanced piece. Please keep writing on the issue but with a good choice of words.@etribune @afpakchannel @NasimZehra

  52. As an atheist I find this whole thing appalling.Would it be an exaggeration to say that more people died in defending or fighting in the name of religion than in natural disasters.

  53. Express Tribune must not distort facts about Husain Haqqani
    http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/express-tribune-must-not-distort-facts-about-husain-haqqani/#comment-3211

    Another example of poor reporting

    Crimes against humanity: Pakistan army refuses to hand over ex-ISI chief Gen Javed Nasir to Bosnia tribunal
    http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/crimes-against-humanity-pakistan-army-refuses-to-hand-over-ex-isi-chief-gen-javed-nasir-to-bosnia-tribunal/#comment-3212

    And another one: Shamsul ANwar scam:
    http://criticalppp.com/archives/68889

  54. Helping the Hazara of Afghanistan and Pakistan
    Posted by Saleem Ali of University of Vermont (USA) January 16, 201
    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/01/16/hazara_afghanistan_pakistan/

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    @AhsanAbbasShah While those who kill Hazaras mention their full identity “Hazara Shias”, Saleem Ali types want to wipe out the Shia part!

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Let’s refrain from uncritically praising a known Shia-phobe’s article. If we can’t heal Shia Muslims’ wounds, let’s not insult them!
    6 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    As is a usual feature of lifestyle liberals, Saleem Ali has used the 80-20 formula in his article to camouflage 20% lies in 80% facts.
    8 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    List of non-Hazara Shia Muslims killed by SSP-LeJ-Taliban in Balochistan – by @MaryaMushtaq criticalppp.com/archives/64797
    10 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    In fact, in terms of relative ratio (not in numbers), the percentage of non-Hazara Shias killed in Balochistan is higher than Hazara Shias.
    11 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    One major dishonesty in Saleem Ali’s article is that he hides the fact that hundreds of non-Hazara Shias have been killed in #Balochistan.
    12 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Abdul Khaliq Hazara and the ethnic cleansing narrative – by @MaryaMushtaq wp.me/p1joLZ-a0l
    15 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    (2) The notion of helping reflects White man’s burden. You stereotype Shias, contribute to their massacre and then want to help them?
    15 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Saleem Ali’s article’s title: “Helping the Hazara of Afghanistan and Pakistan”. Notice two things in the title. (1) Shia identity wiped out!
    17 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Abdul Khaliq Hazara & other ISI-touts are tasked to hide the fact that Shias of all ethnicities are being killed in Pakistan by ISI-Jihadis.
    21 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Dear Saleem Ali: First you wrote hate speech against Shia Muslims in @etribune. Now you are playing the ethnicity card against them?
    23 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    You cannot help the Hazaras of Pakistan or Afghanistan while downplaying the fact that their faith is the main reason for their slaughter!
    24 minutes ago

    AbdulNishapuri Abdul Nishapuri
    Some patent Shia-phobes & ISI-agents are using the ethnicity card to show that Shias are being killed not due to their faith but ethnicity.

  55. Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Sickening that #Pakistani feudal elite reenforce traditions that perpetuate subservience by the poor in name of “cultural tolerance”
    2h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar Voter intelligence is insulted by assuming they will remain trapped in time-warp of tradition to benefit elite @KamranShafi46
    2h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    MT @AdilNajam: #LUMS faculty mtg highlighting #Environment #Research: Prof. Karim Ahmed on curriculum http://bit.ly/HrDpRp
    2h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar Hardly a free market in politics when feudals benefiting from shrine “gaddis” in #Pakistan can arm-twist votes @KamranShafi46
    In reply to Dilawar Asghar
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    RT @YaleE360: World’s biggest wind farm planned for off south coast of England http://soc.li/uDCUMEM
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain OK bro, yes language should shed more light than heat: I do get carried away by incandescence of prose #MeaCulpa
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Slmn0 But you are assuming such “cultural edifices ‘ are benign: recall the guy who killed Gov. Taseer was a shrine-goer
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Silencing criticism only leads to the blasphemy trap that all minorities in Pakistan suffer from and which we must counter
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Martin Luther King’s end argument was same as Black Panthers but their means were different: nuance is key dear Jalal
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Because extremists use an argument to conduct violence doesn’t make object of argument invalid 1/2
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Slmn0 Fine to do anthropological study of social ethos but different to make public statement on such by aspiring heir apparent to #PPP
    In reply to Suleman Akhtar
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain I have explained this ad nauseum: there are benign rituals and those which are not. You are smart enough to know difference
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain What is protected is “freedom to believe” on a personal level and allowing for such beliefs to be open to criticism
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    3h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain There is no inherent “freedom of religion” since many rituals can be antithetical to freedom and social order 1/2
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain “To each his own” dear dude, would relegate us to a state of abject anarchy: only possible for elite bubbles to revel around
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed @KamranShafi46 Indulging ignorance retards progress. We would be stuck in age of witch trials with such false “respect”
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed @KamranShafi46 @jalalhussain I have visited Ajmer as well and respect the saint but a public visit to squander donations?
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed Diplomacy does not require us to perpetuate arcane wasteful rituals – what treaty will this lead to? @BBhuttoZardari
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @BBhuttoZardari I support your call for trade and peace with #India, but please spare us the farcical and wasteful shrine charade
    In reply to BilawalBhuttoZardari
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @geoffdabelko Thanks for all your support to ecological peace-building. We need to convince the world that this is pragmatism not idealism
    In reply to Geoff Dabelko
    4h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Appalling and hypocritical that educated writers in #Pakistan are giving a pass to @bbhuttozardari’s lavish shrine sojourn
    7h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @ianbremmer For detailed analysis of the concept of peace parks beyond idealism, refer to the @MITPress book I edited: http://bit.ly/3ioy97
    7h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @ianbremmer #Siachen peace park idea not idealistic: endorsed by some Indo-Pak military officials too (in my article that Kristof tweeted)
    In reply to ian bremmer
    7h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    RT @WorldBank: Reforming university #governance in the #MiddleEast could have a transformative effect. http://ow.ly/a7YsV
    8h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    MT @SaimaMohsin: #Pakistan’s booming businesses noted by @HarvardBiz http://bit.ly/gDZ0FH via @PakistanGoGreen #Pakpositive
    8h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    RT @Greenpeace: Japan has plans to build the country’s biggest solar power plant: http://act.gp/HiIu42
    8h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @NadeemfParacha My response to Urdu-less #Jinnah and @bbhuttozardari’s solidarity comment in article from last year: http://bit.ly/qUOANY
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    #Muslim evangelical sign in subway spurs heated debate in #Toronto: http://bit.ly/Hkr5nO via @TarekFatah
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    One of my favorite film-makers Deepa Mehta (maker of famed trilogy: Fire, Earth, Water) is now on Twitter @IamDeepaMehta Cool!
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @NasimZehra In my @Natgeo article which Kristof just tweeted, I note how #Kargil is strategically quite different from #Siachen
    In reply to Nasim Zehra
    15h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Indeed ! MT @Calestous: “If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.” ― Derek Bok #Quotes
    15h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @NickKristof Thanks much for tweeting my @Natgeo article on #Siachen. It was an honor meeting you in Vermont some years back!
    In reply to Nicholas Kristof
    15h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    The real #Avatar-style #mining conflict in #India reaches supreme court: http://bit.ly/HryANN #Vedanta
    8 Apr Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @fispahani I am sorry but @bbhuttozardari’s #Urdu proficiency is fair game for criticism. He grew up in Dubai where learning Urdu was easy
    In reply to farahnaz ispahani
    8 Apr Sharmeen Obaid ‏ @sharmeenochinoy Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Why are we fixing shrines in #India when our museums, our shrines & our national monuments r in decrepit conditions? #priorities #Pakistan

    ………

    arvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali It’s upto you to spend just how much you want. No law bars you do that. @KamranShafi46 @jalalhussain
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    4h Marvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Aero_dudette yes, I do. @saleem_ali @BBhuttoZardari
    In reply to Aisha Qadir
    4h Marvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Aero_dudette Better than Billions spent on war. No? @saleem_ali @BBhuttoZardari
    In reply to Aisha Qadir
    4h Marvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    You are most welcome, Pakistan will receive you with open heart :) RT @sauravismyname: i am planing to visit pakistan. I am indian hindu.
    4h Marvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali In the world of international relations, this ‘farcical’ thing is called ‘diplomacy’! #JustSaying @BBhuttoZardari
    In reply to Saleem Ali

    ……..

    Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @needroos @takhalus @h_assans They sold all the PIA hotels and its share in the Intercon for a song in Zia’s time BTW!
    In reply to Nadir El-Edroos
    4h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @marvisirmed @BBhuttoZardari Sorry, that should have read ‘arcane Shia rituals’…
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    4h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @marvisirmed @BBhuttoZardari Sorry, that should have read ‘Shia rituals’…
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    4h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @marvisirmed @BBhuttoZardari Oh pls; you are now reverting to your disgraceful ‘Shis rituals’ piece! Wasn’t the feedback enough?
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    4h Abbas Nasir ‏ @abbasnasir59 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @murtazasolangi you, the viewer.
    Retweeted by Kamran Shafi
    In reply to Murtaza Solangi
    4h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @BBhuttoZardari Yes, @saleem_ali, what’s so ‘farcical’ about visiting Gharib Nawaz’s shrine and getting imp. diplomacy done too?
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    4h Marvi Sirmed ‏ @marvisirmed Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali In the world of international relations, this ‘farcical’ thing is called ‘diplomacy’! #JustSaying @BBhuttoZardari
    Retweeted by Kamran Shafi

  56. Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh … you know how difficult it is in electoral politics? I’ve been with BB in campaigns and – by golly do they …
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    6h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh … politicos. As I have said, Bilawal and Maryam if they come to power will not come to power riding tanks! …
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    6h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh … political parties. Er, what do you think about the Kennedys and the Bushes and the Rockefellers etc., as….
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    6h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh …Bhutto’s ongoing humbling. As to ‘Dynastic Servitude’ people have the perfect choice NOT to vote for ‘dynastic’ ,
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    6h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh And son’t forget the biggest landowner in Asia, Jatoi’s humbling by a PPP student leader. And Sardar Mumtaz …

    Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh And what about Pir Pagara (the Late) losing his ‘ancestral’ i.e., ‘Gaddi’ seat to a poor worker of the PPP please?

    Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali Were you trying to be funny? In which case I was slow! But we’ve talked about your ideas before, with which I disagree! That all

    Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @dasghar Really, @saleem_ali sometimes you say the darnedest things-as if the rest live on Mars. To boot, you sound so arrogant

    Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 @MaulaBuksh Kudos to #PPP for pagara ouster: I always give credit where due: hope they also overcome dynastic servitude
    11h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @HoaglandRichard Glad to find you on twitter, Sir. Hope @usembislamabad will do more for Indo-Pak peace-building too
    In reply to Richard Hoagland
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @MaulaBuksh I have no problem with heterodox faith practices that are benign and have been countered jihadis in much of my writings
    In reply to Maula Bux Thadani
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @MaulaBuksh My issue is not with #PPP, but with any system that prevents true consent of populace: shrine dynasties do muzzle consent
    In reply to Maula Bux Thadani
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 Feudals have used shrines and”dargaahs’ to create political cults in Jhang, Pakpattan: I have done fieldwork there, Sir
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Owl051 Friend, please read scope of my writings before passing summary extremist judgment (half my family Shia BTW) @alisalmanalvi
    In reply to Critical,True & Deep
    14h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @MaulaBuksh Nothing puritanical in my work: it is precisely rigidity and veneration of social inertia that I am countering
    In reply to Maula Bux Thadani
    15h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 I have always shown respect to you as an elder but please try to allow for some candor and comic relief, Sir!
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    15h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 Classic excuse when counter-argument fails is to accuse other of hubris etc. Thanks @dasghar for your kind words
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    16h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Bravo RT @plough_shares: The Pacific nation of Niue became 183rd signatory of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treat today. http://bit.ly/HtPIm2
    16h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed I respect your courage much but your dogmatic allegiance to Bhutto dynasty is utterly puzzling and troubling
    In reply to Marvi Sirmed
    16h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @omar_quraishi Saroop Ijaz @etribune praises #Bhutto as “greatest ablest leader” forgetting that he ostracized #Ahmedis to appease mullahs
    In reply to omar r quraishi
    18h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Sickening that #Pakistani feudal elite reenforce traditions that perpetuate subservience by the poor in name of “cultural tolerance”
    18h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar Voter intelligence is insulted by assuming they will remain trapped in time-warp of tradition to benefit elite @KamranShafi46
    18h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    MT @AdilNajam: #LUMS faculty mtg highlighting #Environment #Research: Prof. Karim Ahmed on curriculum http://bit.ly/HrDpRp
    19h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar Hardly a free market in politics when feudals benefiting from shrine “gaddis” in #Pakistan can arm-twist votes @KamranShafi46
    In reply to Dilawar Asghar
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    RT @YaleE360: World’s biggest wind farm planned for off south coast of England http://soc.li/uDCUMEM
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain OK bro, yes language should shed more light than heat: I do get carried away by incandescence of prose #MeaCulpa
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Slmn0 But you are assuming such “cultural edifices ‘ are benign: recall the guy who killed Gov. Taseer was a shrine-goer
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Silencing criticism only leads to the blasphemy trap that all minorities in Pakistan suffer from and which we must counter
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Martin Luther King’s end argument was same as Black Panthers but their means were different: nuance is key dear Jalal
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @jalalhussain Because extremists use an argument to conduct violence doesn’t make object of argument invalid 1/2
    In reply to Syed Jalal Hussain
    20h Saleem Ali ‏ @saleem_ali Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Slmn0 Fine to do anthropological study of social ethos but different to make public statement on such by aspiring heir apparent to #PPP

    Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 agree or not, I must give u credit for engaging with such unreasonable views on a daily basis @BunkerBlaster @saleem_ali
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    4h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 its both funny & tragic to see the knee jerk reactions to your tweets @BunkerBlaster @saleem_ali
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    4h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali am not a PML N supporter but they 2 have a vote bank that cannot be denied or ridiculed; appreciate @KamranShafi46 balanced rmks
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    4h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 @saleem_ali add Trudeaus, Gores, Clintons, Gandhis, Rehmans, Milibands, Adams, Roosevelts to that list
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    4h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali can’t add much to the excellent comments already made by @KamranShafi46; u (prof) need to do more research
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    7h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh And son’t forget the biggest landowner in Asia, Jatoi’s humbling by a PPP student leader. And Sardar Mumtaz …
    Retweeted by Maula Bux Thadani
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    6h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @MaulaBuksh … politicos. As I have said, Bilawal and Maryam if they come to power will not come to power riding tanks! …
    Retweeted by Maula Bux Thadani
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali ever been to a shrine and seen the unfettered show of emotions. They respect their pir but give their vote to those who deliver
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali please refine your thesis a bit, look before you leap bcos then u r not taken seriously.
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 @saleem_ali yes, very interested to hear your take on that.
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali pardon me but your writings, especially the disgraceful piece on azadari, do not show that.
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @That is a very simplistic and inaccurate view. How so? During MRD movement against Zia, shrines were hub of dissent!
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @CChristineFair @dasghar present company excluded, many urban elites infected with the discourse of the civil-military establishment
    In reply to Christine Fair
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali please get your priorities in order. Shias, Sunnis r victims of State sponsored violence by Jihadis in Pakistan.
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali Countering heterodox faith practices with your bigotted, insulting & false impression of them. Shame!!
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali and why limit yourself to a rural bias. Ever been to Karachi election and seen how MQM creates voter consent!
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali In elections, PPP candidates from non-feudal backgrounds have routed feudal heavy weights in 1971, 88 and even 2008.
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali read more carefully; it says “interested” not qualified just like Shia mourners are not drunk!

    Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 In Pakistan, the puritanical elite not very different from intolerant muslims @saleem_ali @marvisirmed @BBhuttoZardari
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @KamranShafi46 sir, Sunnis & Shias with hetorodox cultural practices r not just the bane of Wahabi @saleem_ali @marvisirmed @BBhuttoZardari
    In reply to Kamran Shafi
    14h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar pls don’t extrapolate your & @KamranShafi46 sense of fairness, introspection & humility to accept diff POV on 2others @saleem_ali
    In reply to Dilawar Asghar
    15h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dasghar peddle ideas but atleast back them with some logic, rationale or wait for the inevitible @KamranShafi46 @saleem_ali
    In reply to Dilawar Asghar
    15h Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali @dasghar Really, @saleem_ali sometimes you say the darnedest things-as if the rest live on Mars. To boot, you sound so arrogant
    Retweeted by Maula Bux Thadani
    In reply to Saleem Ali
    15h Maula Bux Thadani ‏ @MaulaBuksh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @saleem_ali voter intelligence is more insulted when they are portrayed as “feudal robots” by rural elites @dasghar @KamranShafi46

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