Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars?

by admin

In a previous article, Marya Mushtaq has highlighted how some Shia leaders in certain ethnic parties (e.g., Abdul Khaliq Hazara) are trying very hard to misrepresent Shia killings by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists in Pakistan by giving them an ethic colour to deflect the attention from the real killers.

In this article, we will highlight how some politically active Shia ulama (religious scholars) are equally complicit in the crime of deflecting Shia Muslims’ attention from the real killers, i.e., by deflecting the attention to Israel, India, USA etc instead of boldly naming and condemning the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban militants.

Let’s start with a brief historical context of Shia activism in Pakistan in the aftermath of the Iranian revolution.

After the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran led by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini, some Pakistani Shia religious scholars misled the Iranian Ayatollahs and the Iranian government by ensuring them that a pro-Iran (or pro-Shia) Islamic revolution in Pakistan was not very far. The formation of the Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria (TNFJ) in Pakistan in 1979 was a good move to confront the enforcement of controversial Wahhabi-Deobandi laws and discrimination against Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups by Geneal Zia-ul-Haq. However, TNFJ then took a path which was rather injurious to Pakistan’s Shia community.

In the subsequent years, TNFJ (later renamed as TJP) became tightly aligned with Iran’s ruling clergy, its controversial notion of the Vilayat-e-Faqih (the political authority of an Ayatollah) and Iranian government’s foreign policy goals, and in that process sacrificed the very interests of Pakistan’s Shia community. (Pakistan’s military establishment was able to create an off-shoot of TNFJ in 1984 under the leadership of Agha Hamid Moosvi, however, the influence of this GHQ-version of TNFJ remained limited to one or two cities.)

Despite their low numbers (Shia Muslims constitute 10 to 20 per cent of Pakistan’s population), some Iranian influenced Shia ulama in TNFJ (later TJP) kept dreaming of bringing about a pro-Shia Islamic revolution in Pakistan in support of Iran’s revolution.

A pro-Shia revolution in Pakistan was never a possibility; the entire idea reflected an immature mindset which had little understanding of the demographics and religio-political situation in Pakistan. While the notion of an Islamic revolution was apparently intended to promote Iran’s or Shias’ interest in Pakistan and the region, the actual effect was completely opposite.

Pakistan’s military establishment, ISI in particular, wanted to teach Shias a lesson particularly due to their opposition to General Zia-ul-Haq’s Islamization (or Wahhbization) agenda. Saudi Arabia too was anxious about the prospects of a growing Iranian influence in Pakistan particularly in view of increasingly aggressive public postures of the TNFJ.

The so called Jihad (1980-1988) against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan provided Saudi Arabia and its radical Wahhabi and Deobandi affiliates in Pakistan army with an excellent opportunity to nurture, train and produce Jihadis who were not only useful as cheap mercenaries in Afghanistan (and India) but were also vehemently anti-Shia and anti-Iran. The demographics as well as the extent of financial and institutional support were in favour of anti-Shia Deobandis and Wahhabis, who were recruited, trained and brainwashed for an external Jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir and an internal Jihad against Shias and other oppressed groups in Pakistan.

If Pakistan’s Shia ulama had any better sense of the entire situation, they would have dissociated themselves from an Iranian agenda and, instead of wasting their energies on an impossible pro-Shia Islamic revolution, would have struggled for a democratic, progressive Pakistan, separating religion from the state. Contrary to what some Sunni and Shia mullahs dishonestly claim, secularism is not equal to la-deeniat (faithlessness), it rather indicates that faith is each individual’s private matter which is of no concern to a state. This is exactly what the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, himself a Shia Muslim, stated as his vision of Pakistan in his speech to Pakistan’s first Legislature Assembly on 11 August 1947.

For example, Shia ulama could have engaged with other progressive parties and groups (e.g., centre left PPP and ANP, centre right PML, liberal MQM, JWP, moderate Barelvi organizations etc) in creative, pragmatic and constructive ways to ensure equality and protection of Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups (Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians etc) in Pakistan. They could have dissociated from all such organizations (e.g., MMA, AMTKN, JI, JUI etc) which were involved in Jihadi-sectarian activities or spreading hate speech against other religions and sects, e.g., anti-Ahmadi, anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Hindu organisations, and also those organizations which were creating xenophobia against the USA, UK etc because of their specific pro-Taliban, pro-Al Qaeda agenda. (Of course, it is legitimate to criticize USA’s unjust policies towards Pakistan, Iran, Bahrain, Palestine etc, however, that does not mean that Shia Muslims should share platform with the pro-Taliban, pro-Sipah-e-Sahaba leaders to reinforce hate speech against Jews, Christians, Hindus or India, USA etc.)

Instead of supporting the JI, JUI and other anti-Shia parties, Shia ulama could have developed close links and reciprocal support mechanisms with other oppressed communities of Pakistan, e.g., Balochs, anti-Taliban Pashtuns, Barelvis, moderate Deobandis and Wahhabis, Ahmadis, Christians etc in order to develop a broad based alliance against an ISI-sponsored Jihadi-sectarian Wahhabi-Deobandi network. However, they never chose this pathway because it did not match with the dictations of their Iranian mentors and financiers.

The Shia ulama’s dream of a pro-Iran Islamic revolution through a superficial alliance with the ISI-sponsored radical Deoabndi groups (JI, JUI etc) was not only childish but also counter-productive. Shia ulama conveniently ignored the fact that the Sipah-e-Sahaba was an off-shoot of the JUI and that many SSP-LeJ activists were also a simultaneous part of the Jamaat-e-Islami and other radical groups.

In this entire process (pursuit of an imaginary Islamic revolution in Pakistan), Shia Muslims of Pakistan were and are still exposed to unnecessary threat in promoting Iranian foreign policy agenda. While urban elite Shias (a tiny minority) remain unharmed because of their class and tight alignment with Pakistan’s military establishment, the vast majority of poor, disadvantaged Shia Muslims in Pakistani cities, towns and villages, imambagahs and mosques, offices and streets remain victims of frequent suicide attacks and target killing by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists. Same groups of terrorists who are attacking Shia Muslims in Pakistan also attack Western individuals and institutions not only in Pakistan but also in Afghanistan.

There are plenty of examples not only in Pakistan but also in other countries, e.g., Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, which show that Iranian regime has been using Shia Muslims as a consumable item or canon fodder to promote its specific foreign policy agendas, with little consideration to the immediate interests of local Shia community in the respective country.

For example, some Shia ulama of Pakistan blindly follow Iran’s foreign policy by supporting the Hamas in Palestine, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan, completely ignoring the fact that the Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and JI are pro-Saudi, anti-Shia organizations, which have brutally oppressed Shia Muslims and attacked Muharram gatherings on various occasions.

Hamas militants attack Shias in Gaza

17 January 2012: There is only a tiny proportion of Shia Muslims in the Gaza Strip, the slice of Palestine run by Hamas, a branch of the Saudi-Salafi inspired Muslim Brotherhood, which recently emerged as a majority party in Egypt’s parliament. Even so, Hamas security men wielding clubs stormed a private gathering of some 25 Shias held to mark the end of the 40-day mourning period for Imam Hussein’s death (Arbaeen or Chehlum), sending several to hospital. This was despite Iran’s being a notable patron of Gaza’s Islamist rulers (Hamas). (Source)

Muslim Brotherhood’s attack on Shia Muslims in Cairo

5 February 2012: Egypt is continuing to crackdown on Shia Muslims in the country. According to a report in the state-run al-Ahram newspaper on Saturday, two Shia activists were arrested upon arrival at Cairo International Airport from Tehran for allegedly carrying “Shia books.” (Source)

December 2011: Egypt’s small Shia community has also felt a chill Sunni wind. On Ashura (5 Dec 2011), Egyptian police forced hundreds of Shias to abandon a ceremony at the Mosque of Hussein in Cairo, where the Shia martyr’s severed head is said to be buried. A government official said that a stop had been put to their “barbaric rituals” so as to protect them from attack by angered citizens. (Source 1, Source 2)

June 2011: Head of Egypt’s Higher Council of the Al al-Bait Mohammed ad-Dereini has reacted angrily to the country’s authorities on arrest of a large number of Shiite Muslims. According to ad-Dereini among 306 Shiite Muslims held were Sheikh Hassan Shahat – a Sunni cleric who converted to Shiite faith ten years ago and as a punishment he was sacked of his office; he was a speaker at masjid shohadaa al-Jamia in Cairo. Al-Misriyon daily reported that Shahat was arrested from his house on June 22, 2011. The report said accusation thrown on Shahat and other detainees was that they were a threat to national peace. Ad-Dereini said the detainees have been kept in unknown place and their relatives have not been allowed to reach them. Shias are not allowed to hold their celebrations and conferences as well as dissemination of their faith and thoughts. (Source)

Jmaat-e-Islami’s students attack Shia Muslims in Lahore

On 22 December 2011, extremist Deobandi-Wahhabi affiliates of Jamaat-e-Islami’s student wing Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba (IJT) attacked Shia students of the Punjab University with bamboo sticks and stones and opened the indiscriminate firing to sabotage a program of Youm-e-Hussain (as) to mark the sacrifice of grandson of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) Hazarat Imam Hussain (as) and his companions in Karbala. At least thirteen Shia students were critically injured in the firing and attack by the IJT militants who were supported by the Sipah-e-Sahaba students. (Source)

Also read the following article in which Abbas Ather hints towards the fact that several of the Sipah-e-Sahaba (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) terrorists were previously a part of the Jamaat-e-Islami. http://criticalppp.com/archives/299

In the meanwhile, Iranian-influenced Shia ulama of Pakistan keep praising Hamas: (Source)

It is the same Iranian-agenda Shia ulama who do not hesitate from joining hands with the protectors and spiritual mentors of the LeJ-SSP militants:

Shia Muslims of Pakistan must realize that the Iranian government has its own geo-strategic alliances and enmities, Pakistani Shias cannot afford to blindly follow the Iranian foreign policy at the cost of their own existence.

Also, it is a fact that in matters of faith (Taqleed, i.e., religious followership), as many Pakistani Shias are aligned with Iraq’s Najaf Seminary as are with Iran’s Qom Seminary. In other words, Iran is not the sole proprietor of Shia community or jurisprudence. Of course Shia Muslims are free to follow any leading Ayatollah (Marja) for the purpose of Taqleed whether he is from Iran, Iraq or any other country, however, the institution of Taqleed must not be confused with the controversial institution of Vilayat-e-Faqih. In other words, Pakistan’s Shias need to think independently in terms of their political direction and priorities.  They need to liberate themselves from the vilayat-e-faqih and the Iranian-agenda ulama who routinely hide the fact that the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists are killing Shias in Pakistan. Instead, Pakistan’s Shia Muslims should think about securing their specific interests within the context of Pakistan with an independent and critical mind.

36 Comments to “Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars?”

  1. Failed attempt by author to deviate Shias from our Ulemas. This is a poorly researched article based on false propoganda, as Shias were victims before Iranian revolution too(Remeber Khairpur incident in th sixties and mobs attacking Imam Bargah’s in Karachi during early seventies). Our Ulemas have given us a great path of Ahl-e-bait to follow because of which we are still living respectable lifes unlike your beloved Baloch and their Leaders.

  2. 100 % agree with Ahad, not only because we are Shia, but we also have some logics like Shias is the country was also attacked several times before Iranian revolution.
    In the reply to author statement that Shia ulmas are diverting attentions of muslims from the real killers, May I ask you that if Talibans are Muslims why they never attacked on an night clubs, dance parties or vulgar fashion shoes. Why they always target mostly shia procession and shia’s mosques and also schools and some government organizations.
    This clearly shows that Talibans are strengthening what could be a benefit for USA ans Israel or Zionism and they are trying to weakening what is in the benefits of Muslims and Islam.

    The heading of this article can be rewrite as “Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from Islamic agenda scholars?”
    which is the top priority target of Zionist.

  3. I saw this interesting exchange on a public thread (facebook).

    Maryam Sadiq Very interesting link.
    15 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

    Asif Mall I found it to be very informative & interesting read; thanks for sharing.
    14 hours ago · Like · 1

    PakistanBlogzine PB Thanks, everyone. We would like all in general and Shia friends in particular to offer critical feedback on this draft.
    14 hours ago · Like · 2

    Sabah Hasan ‎PakistanBlogzine PB, I offer this comment as a Pakistani. The article is low on facts, high on unsubstantiated opinion bordering on slander. The article ignores the documented fact that the anti-Shia sectarian terrorist outfits in Pakistan are an outcome of CIA’s Afghan ‘jehad’. It uses the word mullah in a derogatory sense for persons who spend years, if not decades, of their lives learning religious sciences in very austere circumstances. It alludes that calls of Shia-Sunni unity by Shia scholars in face of Shia killings by the likes of ASS are somehow wrong and based on foreign agenda!

    You will agree that the need of the day is unity, not just among Muslims, but all human beings. This article is a dis-service to that objective.

    In summary, as one who had come to admire the general quality of write-ups on your blog, I was dismayed on reading this trash, to put it very politely. Normally such material would be considered unworthy of response by me. I responded here because of your specifically expressed desire.

    By the way, I am a Shia, and thus also aware of sacrifices by Shia scholars from Shaheed Arif al-Husaini to Shaheed Rahat al-Husaini, because of love of Pakistan, not because their laying of their lives served some foreign agenda.
    6 hours ago · Like · 2

    Zaib Zaidi As a Pakistani Shia I would like to comment in just 2 lines.

    ” Its like people asking us (Shia’s) to condemn Ibn Zayad(LA) and Shimr(LA) only for killing Imam Hussain(AS) but not their boss/head Yazid(LA) who actually ordered them ”

    I think rest of the points already answered by Sabah Bhai.

    Plus want to add something regarding correction of facts written in the article.

    Terrorist who uprised in Gaza were backed by Al-Qaeda also fought against Hammas Government by declaring them Un-Islamic and Akhwan only won simple majority of seats in Egypt election but Army is still governing Egypt.
    5 hours ago · Like · 2

    Zaib Zaidi This is not my topic as Pakistani Shia and member of JPJ but I support resistance so, this is for information :

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/15/hamas-battle-gaza-islamists-al-qaida


    4 hours ago · Like · 2

    Et Rehman Manf-e-at ek hai is qaum ki nuqsaan bhi ek
    ek hi sab ka nabi deen bhi iman bhi ek
    haram paak bhi Allah bhi Quran bhi ek
    kuch bari baat thi hote jo Musalman bhi ek..
    4 hours ago · Like · 1

    Sadia Salam ‎PakistanBlogzine PB I have gone through the article but seriously couldn’t get the message that u wanted to convey. Could u please summarize the article for me, I would be really grateful to you.
    4 hours ago · Like · 1

    PakistanBlogzine PB ‎Zaib Zaidi Hamas battled Al Qaeda as Hekmatyar battled Salafis in Kunnar. That does not make any of the warring groups less sectarian. Both are anti-Shia, anti-Ahmadi, anti-Jew etc.
    about an hour ago · Like · 1

    PakistanBlogzine PB ‎Sabah Hasan The world mullah has been removed in the view of your feedback. It is, however, a fact that that TNFJ, later TJP, leaders have been consistently aligned with Iranian ruling clergy and foreign policy.
    about an hour ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan ‎PakistanBlogzine PB generalization of the purported act of a proscribed group to Pakistani Shia ulama is fallacious and misleading. The video shows Allama Jawad Naqvi speaking on Shi-Sunni unity. He has never been part of TNFJ/TJP.

    All Usuli Shias around the world refer to the ‘marjayyiah’ (group of jurisconsults) for taqleed in matters of fiqh. The marjayyiah includes nationals not just of Iran, but also of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Lebanon. That one of the jurisconsults happens to be the Supreme Leader of Iran does not make the act of taqleed in fiqhi matters an ‘alignment’ with Iranian ruling clergy.

    Contrary to what you have stated, it is not known to be a fact that any representative Shia individuals or groups are aligned with Iran or any other country as regards foreign policy, beyond the extent that all Pakistanis are aligned with Iran in its brave stand against US interference in our region.

    Hamas is not a sectarian group, irrespective of alleged acts of some of its members. It is a group at the forefront of the struggle against US-Zionist aggression in Arab lands, along with the mainly Shia Hezbullah.

    My objection to the article was not limited to the derogatory use of just one word, but to its basic premises, which is factually incorrect and slanderous.
    37 minutes ago · Like · 1

    PakistanBlogzine PB ‎Sabah Hasan Majority, not all, of politically active Shia Ulama (within our outside TJP) remain aligned with Iran’s ruling clergy. Those aligned with other Ulama are variously labelled as Zidd-e-Inqalab, Dushman-e-Wilayat-Faqih etc. e.g., Ayatollah Muntazari and his followers.

    When you state that “all Pakistanis are aligned with Iran in its brave stand against US…”, you generalize. Not all do. Did you hear the Iran Murdah Bad chants in the ISI-sponsored Difa-e-Pakistan rallies?

    Hamas is a non-sectarian group to the extent that it does not want to see any Shias in Gaza. http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/hamas-attack-on-gaza-shiites-may-indicate-its-political-shift

    Hamas attack on Gaza Shiites may indicate its political shift – The National
    http://www.thenational.ae

    Interior ministry in Gaza admitted carrying out the operation, but denies attacking Shiites, saying only that the people gathered in the building were seeking to create a “fitna”, or societal crisis.
    23 minutes ago · Like ·

    Syed Azeem Sabzvari Pakistanblogzine pb is a sell out, beware
    19 minutes ago · Like

    Sabah Hasan ‎PakistanBlogzine PB no I did not go to DPC rallies or watched their coverage, but saying “Iran murdabaad” does not equal opposing Iran’s stand against the US. In fact, many DPC participants like JI, PTI, JUI, etc. have specifically praised it.

    Sheikh Ali Muntazeri is dead, so being aligned with him is not possible.

    The link that you have quoted is from a government owned UAE newspaper, that may not be considered by some to be the most reliable information source.

    I have conveyed my feedback and comments. That’s it from me.
    7 minutes ago · Like · 1

    PakistanBlogzine PB ‎Sabah Hasan Thanks for the feedback and comments. Both of us have clearly explained our respective position and views. Best wishes.
    4 minutes ago · Like

    Syed Azeem Sabzvari and then again if it was really that shias and iran are trying to spread sectarianism then why would they be protesting for palestine…… how many shekels u get for producing this stuff?
    about a minute ago · Like

    Syed Azeem Sabzvari also supporting gaza and palestinians is not just an iranian foreign agenda as one of your links in your biased article, the support of palestine is a tradition from allama iqbal who in 1927 led one of the first rallies against the proposed idea of a creation of an israeli nation on palestine……….this is a humanitarian national and islamic cause

    Sabah Hasan ‎PakistanBlogzine PB your position was never unclear to me.
    8 minutes ago · Like

    Zaib Zaidi Dispute between Taliban vs Taliban ( like Lashkar-e-Islam vs some other group in Bara Khyber Agency ), it can be over some personal or any other issue, which is, cannot be compared with Hammas and Al-Qaeda because of ideological difference.

    I wonder how Hammas can attack on the member of Islamic Jihad who have trained Hammas persons and teach them war techniques. They were also a mediator between Hammas and Mahmoud Abbas peace treaty.

    Plus in your article you also tried to divide Scholars of Najaf & Qum. Scholars from Najaf i.e. Ayatullah Sistani also ordered to raised voice for the people of Gaza. With respect please correct your facts.

  4. Leader of the Islamic Revolution Sayyed Ali Khamenai just recently in last Friday sermon said “Iran is not targeting to expand Iranian-ism or Shiasm amongst the Muslims, Iran is working the path of defending the Quran, defending the Sunnah and awakening the Islamic Ummah. The Islamic revolution believes that helping the Mujahideen, the Sunnah in Hammas and Islamic Jihad and the Shia mujahideen in Hizballah and amal movement. We believe that all this is a religious duty, a task from God, a duty from God. We doesn’t believe in sectarianism and nationalism.”

    The author of this article have expressed his own ignorance. Only if you know Islam is not a matter of only personal life, it deals with complete human life and separation of Religion and Politics is the slogans of those imperialists who want to exploit the resources of muslim world by implanting their thugs as they have succeeded. Practically, we are all seculars and religion have become just a part of our personal life and that’s the reason we have reached to this stage.

    Islamic revolution of Iran has awakened the oppressed nations of the globe particularly Muslims and the ideology of Imam Khomeni have inspired millions across the globle, the enemies of humanity and imperialist powers consider this ideology as main threat to their evil goals and thats the very reason they support anti-revolution forces like you.

    We support every oppressed nation of the world even if they are infidels, this is what our ideology teaches us, so stop acting as a moron and trying to create rifts by showing some videos or quoting some examples. Don’t show just one side of the picture.

    We love our ulemas and people like you can’t scatter us away from our scholars.

  5. Bad baseless biased Column,tried to create division not only among the shia community but to sow the seed of discord among the Pakistani nation.Our national security institution should take the action against the such writer because its also the matter of our internal security.

  6. I am laughing at the writers stupidity. A foolish attempt to divert Shia from the Ulmas.

    Shia never follow any country or personality. Shiat is a complete and strong Islamic system whose roots are wilayat, It is baseless argument or Blame that Pakistani Shia wanted to establish system like Iran. where Iran itself denies it. Iran always say unity (Wahdat) among muslims not their ruling. Shias of Pakistan are more than loyal to Pakistan than any other sects. This is not sentimental statement but a Truth. Who gave their everything to built and protect this land. either, their lands, money or lives. etc.

    What I understand the the writer is doing the job of USA/ISRAEL to deviate shias from following the righteous path. What Iran is saying to stand against USA/Israel the biggest evil of times. Any roghteous person will follow the right path.SHias are always stand against the tyrants of anytime. This is Hussainiat..

  7. This article is baseless and only propaganda against Shia of Pakistan and Ulema e Shia…We strongly condemn of this article’s author for his baseless thinking and information. We are not following any irani policy and will never in future inshallah But for your kind information we strongly believe on Wilayat e faqih and definitely we follow this path. No body can stop us to follow the path of Wilayat e faqih. We are following our nayeb e Imam and inshallah we will follow our Imam till our death. Don’t try to mislead the people..

  8. One of the thousands of attempts to divide shia Muslims and divert them from their strong centerlized system.

  9. You ll be disappointed & fail in your attempts, whatever purpose you have, better to learn from history from Yazid to Saddam & choose your camp.

  10. Laibaah1 Laibaah
    Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars? wp.me/p1joLZ-ahP

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 People like u, Ejaz haider & Abdul khaliq Hazara…!

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 “Silence is better than unmeaning words.” Pythagoras
    2 hours ago

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
    @Laibaah1 Please learn some basic facts of Shia doctrine & then give us lectures on how should we live in Pakistan..!
    2 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Thanks for ad hominem. May I ask for the reason? :)

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch My criticism of Ejaz Haider and Abdul Khaliq Hazara was good, but criticism of Iranian-agenda Shia ulama is bad?
    1 hour ago

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Ha, thanx for reminding us abt ur noble services for HR & Shias, & this justifies ur 5th columnists labelling, thank u
    31 minutes ago Favorite Reply

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch This is how how people react when their views are questioned?
    2 minutes ago Favorite Reply Delete

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 No, this is the way when people sell their services as justifications :)

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Ad hominem aside, what exactly is not factual in the article in question?

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 & what is factual in that? Go & study Marj’iat is different from Wilayat Faqih, Marjiat is inseparbale from Shiiat

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Where exactly is anything against Mrjiat in the said post?

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 U r more generous in fact, Shia ulema r so stupid that they ll bring pro-Shia Islamic rvltion in Pak in support of Iran’s revlutn
    5 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch The post objects on some politically active Shia ulama’s alignment with Iranian ruling clergy & foreign policy. Is that wrong?

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @alteridom but following them makes u puppets of their foreign policy, according to @Laibaah1 , wt abt Lebanese Marjiat?
    5 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch The post objects on some politically active Shia ulama’s alignment with Iranian ruling clergy & foreign policy. Is that wrong?

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Was Ejaz haider wrong?
    4 hours ago

    alteridom Mohsin Raza
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    @MahdiBaloch @Laibaah1 who’s saying to blindly follow as i said u can follow any marja u like Lebanese, Iraqi, Iranian, Pakistani
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Ejaz Haider tried to deflect from real killers of Shia Muslims, ie, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP. That’s what some Shia ulama too do.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 & u dressed his arguments in elegant clothes? Wt should be done with those whose leaders r puppets of foreign countires?
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Some, not all Shia ulama, are Iranian as well as Pakistan army’s puppets.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 but all pak shias r chained by these “some ulemas” & u r on mission of liberating them, Brave, all the best!
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch It is important to boldly state that LeJ-SSP terrorists are being supported by Pakistan army. Iranian-agenda ulama are silent!

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Be on the topic, “Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars?”, now u ll say “some pakistani shias”, No?
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch My previous tweet was in fact a main topic of the article under discussion.

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch It is important to boldly state that LeJ-SSP terrorists are being supported by Pakistan army. Iranian-agenda ulama are silent!

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Which iranian agenda ulema has been silent on Shia masscares?
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Those who blame Israel but do not have guts to loudly say that Pakistan army is the main sponsor behind Shia genocide.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Oh u mean Jawad Naqvi, isn’t he ur hero on Imran Khan? Ha… u mean article topic is “Who ll free Pak Shias from LeJ”?
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch We are not into absolutism. We agree with certain views of scholars and disagree with certain other views.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 but u ve one absolutism that all “Pak shias” r chained by “some shia ulemas”, great logic
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Not all, but the more visible, political active Shia groups in Pakistan are considerably influenced by Iranian-agenda ulama.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 & that is subject of ur article, Now I am jealous bcoz u r so creative dear! re-read title of ur post
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch Title should not be read separately from the post.

    MahdiBaloch Mahdi Baloch
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    @Laibaah1 Ha… & plz repeat it here for clarity’s sake?
    4 hours ago

    Laibaah1 Laibaah
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    @MahdiBaloch That Shia political leaders / ulama in Pakistan must not blindly follow the Iranian ruling clergy and foreign agendas.

  11. hey totally fake research hi I cant believe it.
    he got money from america to publish this article.

  12. this column totally reflects the thinking of Sipah Sahaba Pakistan and is therefore very sectarian in nature. Shame on you pakistanblogzine

  13. MYQaisrani Muhammadyar Qaisrani
    Good analysis & hindsight. Pak state & Agencies were caught unawares, when Shia Muslims ‘Gheraoed’ ZiaulHaq in 1980s. US, KSA & others panicked too, thinking Iran 2 export ‘Islamic Rev’. Zia creatd SSP/LeJ sorts & US+KSA began encircle Iran.

  14. Writer of this article is an Iranian agent, a Sajid Naqvi tout.

  15. This website it full of pro-Shia proaganda. Irani majoosi khumeni agents.

  16. I agree with most of the content but don’t think as a religious side we should include ourself with some political party.
    As far as Iran is concern I don’t agree again as Iran role is unclear but the world’s behavior and intention is very clear to make Iran alone and despite of it’s lackings we should support Iran as a country. If attacked then whatever party we’ll join we’ll be next target. So raise voice against problem but don’t be a part of anti-Iranian campaign of Difa-e-Pak and their father US

  17. go to hell admin & that who wrote this article bullshit mercenary minded

  18. Pakistani Shia Muslims have national agenda to practice Shia Islam

    Pakistani Shias have no foreign agenda. Critics are wrong in alleging Shia Muslims of having foreign agenda.
    How to understand Shia Muslims problems? Main problem is the fact that Shia Muslims have inalienable rights that must not be denied. What can be said inalienable rights of Shia Muslim citizens of Pakistan? One needs to answer this question first.
    A Shia Muslim has a particular school of thought according to which he or she spends his or her life. Can one blame Pakistani Christians to serve foreign agenda if they follow Holy See or Protestant Church outside of Pakistan? Same questions may be put to other Muslim schools of thought or other religions.
    It is strange and unjust to question the loyalty of Pakistani Shia Muslims. It is in fact itself a foreign agenda to raise such questions to mislead people and public opinion. Misguided people have enough time to spread malicious propaganda against Shia Muslims. One can only laugh at their mindset.
    What should be an agenda of Shia Muslims or other citizens of Pakistan that can be said indigenous agenda and not the foreign one. More than 300 million Shia Muslims practice similar Islam as did other religions or schools of thought.
    There are bloggers that disseminate anti-Shiism in all over the world. We can challenge them that whole world bears witness to the fact that Shia Muslims have experienced worst ever crisis in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and elsewhere in the world. Is it not genocide of Shia Muslims that we witness in Pakistan?
    Shia Muslims are under impression that a pogrom has been launched worldwide against them to punish them for enjoying freedom of expression.
    What we see in the world’s decision-making process is an anti-Shiism. To blame Pakistani Shia for serving Iranian agenda is another proof that enemies of Shia Islam have intensified dirty psychological war. Fact remains that Iran’s unelected King was accorded red carpet welcome in Pakistan by whole of Pakistani nation and rulers in particular.
    Iran is brotherly and friendly country in our neighbor. So why should Pakistan and Pakistani nation not enjoy friendly and brotherly ties with them. What do they mean when they talk of Iranian agenda? There is no such agenda in Pakistan or among Pakistani Shia Muslims. It is our national agenda that binds us with Iran like a normal course in international relations.
    Iran is well wisher of Pakistan. Mutual trade may benefit both countries and such relations should be strengthened. Iran offers $10 billion annual trade with Pakistan. Only foolish people can ignore such a robust offer.
    Topic of this opinion piece doesn’t allow discussing Pak-Iran relations in details. One or two such examples are necessary to understand that this is Pakistani agenda and not the Shia or non-Shia agenda. Those who scare Shia Muslims by their nefarious propaganda are those who want to impose a pogrom and genocide on Pakistani Shia Muslims. It means they are enemies of humanity. Shia Muslims have inalienable human rights and writing for such anti-Shia blogs means denial of those genuine and legitimate rights. It is tantamount to side with the conductors of genocide and anti-Shia pogrom. So, please shut up and mind your language!
    Pakistani Shia Muslims like other Pakistanis have national agenda to promote such relations beneficial to both countries. It is purely a national agenda and nothing else.

  19. An interesting exchange between Abdul Nishapuri and a Pakistani Shia Muslim (Twitter, 2 March 2012):

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri
    Pakistan’s Shias have been routinely exploited by two entities: ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) and IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran)

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri
    For an example of ISI-influenced propaganda within Pakistan’s Shia community, read Islam Times – Urdu, an ISI rag: islamtimes.org/ur/

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri Close
    @Mujeeb_Malik Shias are killed by Saudi-funded, ISI-backed Jihadi-sectarian monsters, IRI influenced mullahs misguide Shias to burn US flag

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri This sounds like opinion of people who used to say Ali(as) is to blamed along with the one who wages war against him.

    1h Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Iranian authoritarian regime is not equal to Imam Ali. There are many Shia scholars who disagree with the Vilayat-e-Faqih.

    1h Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Even I dont agree with Vilayat-e-Faqih but against US,KSA and ISI, I support the islamic republic.

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri Close
    @ahadhussain Absolute support or opposition are meaningless. We may support West in certain respects and support Iran in certain others.

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Atleast for us, we don’t discriminate based on ethnicity & nationality! One nation under one Imam(as), my life for my nation

    1h Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Our nation is Pakistan and humanity. Ethnic and religious identities must be recognized, not negated.

    57m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri A shia calling himself a part of Pakistani nation is delusional, establishment here hates that we breathe same O2

    54m Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Majority of Shias, Sunnis, others are proud & peaceful Pakistanis. ISI-backed ASWJ-SSP-Taliban are a noisy minority.

    51m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri If I am on a hijacked plane I would be worried about the intention of pilot not fellow passengers or plane.

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri Close
    @ahadhussain Public can be educated & opinions can be mobilized to have an impact on the governance and direction of a country. Long process

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri The improvement after educating all is an impossible task in Pakistan. There will be no change for next 50 years.

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Iranian authoritarian regime is not equal to Imam Ali. There are many Shia scholars who disagree with the Vilayat-e-Faqih.

    58m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Even I dont agree with Vilayat-e-Faqih but against US,KSA and ISI, I support the islamic republic.

    56m Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Absolute support or opposition are meaningless. We may support West in certain respects and support Iran in certain others.

    50m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Guess we are on same page here, but west is being ruled by CIA on Isreal payroll. They see Syria but ignore Bahrain.

    48m Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Similarly, there are Iranian-influenced Shias who see Bahrain but ignore Syria. Selective morality of both West & Iran is bad.

    45m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri I knew you would say that but there is no such thing as iranian influenced shias, just one shia nation follower of Imam

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri Close
    @ahadhussain You remain silent on selective morality of those Shias who see Bahrain, not Syria.

    38m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Homs in Syria gets more than their share of attentions and its Al Qaeda vs Assad over there. Y would we support Al qaeda?

    36m Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Al Qaeda is active in most Muslim countries. This doesn’t mean Shias should support Assad’s repressive regime.

    27m Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri Its Assad vs Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda lost me with their Yazid Ibn-e-Mavia Brigade in Homs attacking innocent civilians

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri
    @ahadhussain In case you don’t know our stance on US-Saudi-Pakistani hypocrisy on Bahrain, visit this: http://t.co/EsWP2zC8

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri
    @ahadhussain We are not selective moral. We support Syrian people’s right to democracy and condemn Assad regime. AQ is only a tiny part.

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain · Open
    @AbdulNishapuri The whole world speaks for Al Qaeda in Homs, Syria ! no one speaks for majority in Bahrain except already oppressed Shia

    21m Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri · Open
    @ahadhussain Clearly our view point is not acceptable to those who are either Saudi-influenced or Iranian-influenced.

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain
    @AbdulNishapuri Well, you can relax because America is working on bringing “democracy” to Syria. While Iranian Infuenced will continue 2die

    Abdul Nishapuri ‏ @AbdulNishapuri
    @ahadhussain You are entitled to your views. We will keep rejecting all those who are selective moral and foreign influenced.

    Ahad Hussain ‏ @ahadhussain Close
    @AbdulNishapuri Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, hope you find luck with the corrupt groups from whom you expect the impossible.

  20. Iran once again is increasingly getting isolated on the global stage. It was not long ago when in 1988 the US shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Strait of Hormuz, killing all 290 persons aboard. The dead included Iranian nationals, as well as 13 Emiratis, 10 Indians, 6 Pakistanis, 6 Yugoslavians and an Italian. Despite this act of naked aggression, the global response was mute at best. Iranians stand equally isolated from the world today as they did in 1988.

    As Israel continues to think aloud about the idea of attacking Iran, Arab Muslims are also not averse to attacking Iran to prevent her from acquiring nuclear weapons capability. No fewer than 71 per cent respondents to the Pew survey in Nigeria, much more than the ones in the US, favoured a military action against Iran in 2010; note that 50 per cent of Nigerians are Muslims. In Egypt, only 16 per cent of the respondents opposed the idea of attacking Iran. Similarly, only one in five Jordanians opposed attacking Iran to disrupt her alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons technology.

    I wonder if Arabs, who are mostly Sunni Muslims, would have held such hostile views for another Sunni Muslim country suspected of pursuing nuclear weapons technology. Given the fact that Iran is a Shia majority country and that hardline Sunnis consider Shias heretics, one can appreciate that because of the sectarian strife Sunni Muslims are equally predisposed to attacking the Shia Iran. This has happened in the past as well when all Arab countries backed Saddam Hussain against Iran in the Iran-Iraq war that killed millions on both sides of the conflict.

    Given the overt abhorrence of Shias common amongst Arabs, Palestinians have not been immune to the sectarian strife, Iran’s policy to antagonise the West and Israel while it tries to appease Arabs makes no sense at all. Iran now stands almost alone in the community of nations. The world, including Iran’s Arab neighbours, is becoming increasingly wary of its nuclear program and Iran’s efforts to assume the leadership of billion-plus Muslims whose overwhelming majority follows Sunni Islam.

    A prudent foreign policy would require Iran to reconsider support for Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. It may require Iran to leave the Arab-Israeli conflict to Arabs who have never welcomed Iranian interference in the dispute between Arabs and Israel. Iranians should instead champion the rights of Shias who are increasingly becoming victims of targeted killings at the hands of other Muslims.

    Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is the Associate Dean of research and graduate programs at the Ted Rogers School of Management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at murtaza.haider@ryerson.ca

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/07/united-against-iran.html

  21. United against Iran
    BY MURTAZA HAIDER ON MARCH 7TH, 2012 | NO COMMENTS

    The sectarian gulf between the Sunni Arabs and Shia Iranians runs deep. Recent reports suggest that Arabs, while being motivated by their abhorrence of the Shias, appear willing to support Israel in her not-so-covert plans to attack Iran.

    Peter Cohan, writing in Forbes.com, reports that “Saudi Arabia’s rage against the Shias exceeds its dislike of its Jewish neighbors” so much so that Saudis are willing to provide Israel logistics support to attack Iran later in June. Other Arab states including Jordan and Egypt may also stand behind Israel’s foray into Iran.

    It was only in November 2010 when WikiLeaks revealed that Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz was egging the American leadership to take out Iran’s nuclear programme. In April 2008, WikLeaks exposed US diplomatic cables in which the current Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Adel al-Jubair, told an American diplomat about King Abdullah’s “frequent exhortations to the US to attack Iran and so put an end to its nuclear weapons program.” According to the leaked cables Ambassador al-Jubair, while referring to Iranians, asked Americans to “cut off the head of the snake”. The Saudis never denied making these comments and observed that they could not verify the veracity of these documents.

    The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is on a whistle stop tour of the western capitols to win their support for an Israeli military foray into Iran. The American newspapers, such as New York Times, have willingly become cheerleaders encouraging Israel to follow through on its threats by publishing speculations about when and how Israel will or should attack Iran. In the past three months alone, the New York Times has published over 32 stories flirting with the idea of an Israeli attack on Iran.

    While Israel’s loud threats against Iran are increasing by the day, the deafening silence of the Arab leadership on threats against Iran, a supposedly brotherly Muslim country, is also becoming hard to ignore. At the same time one is at loss to understand why Iran continues to antagonise the West who is concerned about Iran’s hard stance against Israel and her unqualified support for Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. Over the past three decades Iran has taken a leading role in mobilising Muslims against Israel. However, while Iran has become a pariah for supporting the Arabs in the Arab-Israeli conflict, Arabs on the other hand continue to treat Shia Arabs and Iranians with contempt.

    The brutal repression of Bahraini Shias, who are in majority, by the minority Sunni rulers was aided and abetted by the Saudi regime who sent the Saudi army (including retired non-commissioned soldiers from Pakistan) and heavy armaments across the causeway to help the Bahraini regime. Rulers in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia blamed Iran for the uprising by the majority Shias in Bahrain against the Khalifa and his clan who are Sunni Muslims. Similarly, Saudi Arabia continues to suppress Shias in the south and deprives them of the opportunity to practice their faith freely.

    While Hamas has profited from the Iranian support over the years, it too is equally hostile to Shias living in Gaza. Earlier in January, armed men belonging to Hamas attacked Shias in a house in the Sheikh Zayyad neighbourhood (between Beit Lahia and Jabalya) who were commemorating Arbaeen, the end of the 40-day mourning period for Imam Hussain. The London-based Al-Hayat newspaper quoted a Gazan residence Rafik Hamad whose brother was tortured by Hamas. “The police said my brother was a heretic [Shia] and asked me to keep him at home and not let him out,” Al-Hayat quoted Hamad.

    The sectarian strife is ever so obvious in the Arab-Israeli conflict where Sunni Arabs are distrustful of the Lebanon-based Hezbollah, which is dominated by Shia Arabs. A survey conducted in Lebanon by the Pew Research Center in 2010 revealed that while 94 per cent Lebanese Shias held a favourable view of Hezbollah, only 12 per cent of Sunni Lebanese felt the same way. Surprisingly, Christians in Lebanon were more responsive than the Sunnis to Hezbollah where one in five Lebanese Christians reported holding a favourable view of Hezbollah. Even as they faced off against a common nemesis, the Shias and Sunnis in Lebanon remained polarised along the sectarian lines.

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/07/united-against-iran.html

  22. rubbish admin who r u to dictate or give adviice to shias , bullshit

  23. very nice article , i totally agree with the writer. it is quite apparent that by influencing the mindset of shia people in counties like india and pak Iran is not helping the relligion rather it is for their own benefit.

  24. well written article !! i will add a single comment which might summarize current situation of Pakistan !!

    “Saudia-arab and Iran have made Pakistan the battle field for securing their own geo-strategic , political interests in gulf , using Religion/sect as catalyst”

    the real problem with every single Pakistani living in this country is on genetic level ,, there are some irritatting genes somewhere in us n that is ” har us pangay mein taang arana jis ka hamaray sath koi link na ho” or “sari dunya ki thaikay dari ka ” be it deobandis idealizing Saudia arabia or be it Shias glorifying Iran !! ..

    Iran is Uni cultural/ uni lingual / 90 % belong to one sect and more importantly there was dictator ship over the decades ( this was the fertile Ground for Revolution). and to dream about copying the same episode in Pakistan with its diverse regional, racial and lingual spectrum is technically childish.

    And i strongly agree with the fact that , Making a Political party (TJP) on sectarian grounds and expecting Sunnis to vote for you to bring the revolution of your choice was a disasterous step…. !!! The Name Tehreek-e-jaffria might look glamorous ( as it used to do for me when i was a school student) to most shiaz but in reality , we have been pushed way back politically !!

    MQM, PPP, ANP , PMLn do have political figures who are by faith Shiaz , irrespective of their political affliation will they ever support the Notorious Shariat Bill which was brought on the floor of assembly once ( and it might POP up again in next assembly if PTI-cum-DPC govt sits in assembly) to declare shias as minority ….?? No they will NOT … and if these leaders would have Raised the slogan of VOTE IN THE NAME OF SECT by making TJP type forums.. they will be never sitting in parilment or any decision making democratic forum at first place to Resist !!

    REMEMBER The Notorious Shariat Bill was torn and turned down by Iqbal haider the then Law Minister of PPP in assembly when it was moved for Approval … not by any Allama or Religious Cleric .

    And our scholars should stop Blamming CIA and MOSAD in every act when LJS , SSP etc openly claim the blood sheds.. the chain Goes like Millitants —– ISI —- Saudia arab —- CIA

    P.S I belong to the Area which has just received 14 dead bodies on 3rd april, i.e Gilgit . if my opinion doesnt convince you i would love to read some logics instead of some comments that ” am some “traitor” trying to distract shias from Ulamas ” etc etc !! we have made mistakes … we should admit that !!

  25. Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars? According to your topic I can do this if you assure me that you can free Pakistan from wahabi nasbi propaganda and murdering innocent people. Wahabis who are backed by America and Israeli sehonies through Saudi Arabia. And fake mullas who are writing books against Shias and using their names on fake written book and you can verify this fact from Pakistani police stations in Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, and Islamabad. Wahabiat which was being created by abdul wahab najdi about 100 years ago want to cope all Islam (Shias and sunnis) Shiit which religion is 1400 years old and these terrorists want to cope Shiit forget about it.You represented fake and baseless fact so that people impressed from your post. Go back and research well and correct your history and all the facts. Just copying and pasting already fake written can not help you to be famous.

  26. good article ,, an eye opener for all those illiterate fellas who blindly follow the evil minded mulla’s of iran as wahabis follow the evil minded mulla’s of saudi. leading back to IDOL WORSHIP by these guys who follow mulla’s instead of QURAN & Hadees e MASOOMEEN A.S. …….

  27. watch this and you will know why we say america murdabad! target the ORIGNAL enemy, rest of them will vanish as the root enemy vanish!

  28. Indeed , the Iranian influenced Mullahs has caused more trouble for the own shia community in Pakistan. They have been more dangerous to shia community than SSP guys. These mullahs blindly follow what comes from I-RAN without even thinking over the realty. They keep on praising Hamas for the sake of a a unity among different sects of shias which never existed.
    Poor simpleton people are being fooled by their garb of olemas…. whereas their hearts are void of Religion. Theses so called puppet Iranian paid mullahs are ruining behind their desires, putting the truth aside and misleading those who follow such Iranian Paid Mullas blindly.

    Indeed Imam Ali (as) said :

    الإمامُ عليٌّ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ): آفةُ العامّةِ العالمُ الفاجرُ. غرر الحکم: 3952

    Imam Ali (AS) said, ‘The ruin of ordinary people is a treacherous scholar.’ [Ref : Ghurarul Hikam. no. 3952]
    Al Ajal Ya Wali e Asr ajfs.

  29. writer is harraami ….US agent

  30. Pakistani Shias And Iranian-agenda
    Started by oxygen , Jun 02 2012 01:07 PM

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    Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars?

    In a previous article, Marya Mushtaq has highlighted how some Shia leaders in certain ethnic parties (e.g., Abdul Khaliq Hazara) are trying very hard to misrepresent Shia killings by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists in Pakistan by giving them an ethic colour to deflect the attention from the real killers.

    In this article, we will highlight how some politically active Shia ulama (religious scholars) are equally complicit in the crime of deflecting Shia Muslims’ attention from the real killers, i.e., by deflecting the attention to Israel, India, USA etc instead of boldly naming and condemning the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban militants.

    Let’s start with a brief historical context of Shia activism in Pakistan in the aftermath of the Iranian revolution.

    After the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran led by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini, some Pakistani Shia religious scholars misled the Iranian Ayatollahs and the Iranian government by ensuring them that a pro-Iran (or pro-Shia) Islamic revolution in Pakistan was not very far. The formation of the Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria (TNFJ) in Pakistan in 1979 was a good move to confront the enforcement of controversial Wahhabi-Deobandi laws and discrimination against Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups by Geneal Zia-ul-Haq. However, TNFJ then took a path which was rather injurious to Pakistan’s Shia community.

    In the subsequent years, TNFJ (later renamed as TJP) became tightly aligned with Iran’s ruling clergy, its controversial notion of the Vilayat-e-Faqih (the political authority of an Ayatollah) and Iranian government’s foreign policy goals, and in that process sacrificed the very interests of Pakistan’s Shia community. (Pakistan’s military establishment was able to create an off-shoot of TNFJ in 1984 under the leadership of Agha Hamid Moosvi, however, the influence of this GHQ-version of TNFJ remained limited to one or two cities.)

    Despite their low numbers (Shia Muslims constitute 10 to 20 per cent of Pakistan’s population), some Iranian influenced Shia ulama in TNFJ (later TJP) kept dreaming of bringing about a pro-Shia Islamic revolution in Pakistan in support of Iran’s revolution.

    A pro-Shia revolution in Pakistan was never a possibility; the entire idea reflected an immature mindset which had little understanding of the demographics and religio-political situation in Pakistan. While the notion of an Islamic revolution was apparently intended to promote Iran’s or Shias’ interest in Pakistan and the region, the actual effect was completely opposite.

    Pakistan’s military establishment, ISI in particular, wanted to teach Shias a lesson particularly due to their opposition to General Zia-ul-Haq’s Islamization (or Wahhbization) agenda. Saudi Arabia too was anxious about the prospects of a growing Iranian influence in Pakistan particularly in view of increasingly aggressive public postures of the TNFJ.

    The so called Jihad (1980-1988) against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan provided Saudi Arabia and its radical Wahhabi and Deobandi affiliates in Pakistan army with an excellent opportunity to nurture, train and produce Jihadis who were not only useful as cheap mercenaries in Afghanistan (and India) but were also vehemently anti-Shia and anti-Iran. The demographics as well as the extent of financial and institutional support were in favour of anti-Shia Deobandis and Wahhabis, who were recruited, trained and brainwashed for an external Jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir and an internal Jihad against Shias and other oppressed groups in Pakistan.

    If Pakistan’s Shia ulama had any better sense of the entire situation, they would have dissociated themselves from an Iranian agenda and, instead of wasting their energies on an impossible pro-Shia Islamic revolution, would have struggled for a democratic, progressive Pakistan, separating religion from the state. Contrary to what some Sunni and Shia mullahs dishonestly claim, secularism is not equal to la-deeniat (faithlessness), it rather indicates that faith is each individual’s private matter which is of no concern to a state. This is exactly what the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, himself a Shia Muslim, stated as his vision of Pakistan in his speech to Pakistan’s first Legislature Assembly on 11 August 1947.

    For example, Shia ulama could have engaged with other progressive parties and groups (e.g., centre left PPP and ANP, centre right PML, liberal MQM, JWP, moderate Barelvi organizations etc) in creative, pragmatic and constructive ways to ensure equality and protection of Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups (Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians etc) in Pakistan. They could have dissociated from all such organizations (e.g., MMA, AMTKN, JI, JUI etc) which were involved in Jihadi-sectarian activities or spreading hate speech against other religions and sects, e.g., anti-Ahmadi, anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Hindu organisations, and also those organizations which were creating xenophobia against the USA, UK etc because of their specific pro-Taliban, pro-Al Qaeda agenda. (Of course, it is legitimate to criticize USA’s unjust policies towards Pakistan, Iran, Bahrain, Palestine etc, however, that does not mean that Shia Muslims should share platform with the pro-Taliban, pro-Sipah-e-Sahaba leaders to reinforce hate speech against Jews, Christians, Hindus or India, USA etc.)

    Instead of supporting the JI, JUI and other anti-Shia parties, Shia ulama could have developed close links and reciprocal support mechanisms with other oppressed communities of Pakistan, e.g., Balochs, anti-Taliban Pashtuns, Barelvis, moderate Deobandis and Wahhabis, Ahmadis, Christians etc in order to develop a broad based alliance against an ISI-sponsored Jihadi-sectarian Wahhabi-Deobandi network. However, they never chose this pathway because it did not match with the dictations of their Iranian mentors and financiers.

    The Shia ulama’s dream of a pro-Iran Islamic revolution through a superficial alliance with the ISI-sponsored radical Deoabndi groups (JI, JUI etc) was not only childish but also counter-productive. Shia ulama conveniently ignored the fact that the Sipah-e-Sahaba was an off-shoot of the JUI and that many SSP-LeJ activists were also a simultaneous part of the Jamaat-e-Islami and other radical groups.
    In this entire process (pursuit of an imaginary Islamic revolution in Pakistan), Shia Muslims of Pakistan were and are still exposed to unnecessary threat in promoting Iranian foreign policy agenda. While urban elite Shias (a tiny minority) remain unharmed because of their class and tight alignment with Pakistan’s military establishment, the vast majority of poor, disadvantaged Shia Muslims in Pakistani cities, towns and villages, imambagahs and mosques, offices and streets remain victims of frequent suicide attacks and target killing by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists. Same groups of terrorists who are attacking Shia Muslims in Pakistan also attack Western individuals and institutions not only in Pakistan but also in Afghanistan.

    There are plenty of examples not only in Pakistan but also in other countries, e.g., Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, which show that Iranian regime has been using Shia Muslims as a consumable item or canon fodder to promote its specific foreign policy agendas, with little consideration to the immediate interests of local Shia community in the respective country.

    For example, some Shia ulama of Pakistan blindly follow Iran’s foreign policy by supporting the Hamas in Palestine, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan, completely ignoring the fact that the Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and JI are pro-Saudi, anti-Shia organizations, which have brutally oppressed Shia Muslims and attacked Muharram gatherings on various occasions.

    Jmaat-e-Islami’s students attack Shia Muslims in Lahore
    On 22 December 2011, extremist Deobandi-Wahhabi affiliates of Jamaat-e-Islami’s student wing Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba (IJT) attacked Shia students of the Punjab University with bamboo sticks and stones and opened the indiscriminate firing to sabotage a program of Youm-e-Hussain to mark the sacrifice of grandson of the Prophet Mohammad Hazarat Imam Hussain and his companions in Karbala. At least thirteen Shia students were critically injured in the firing and attack by the IJT militants who were supported by the Sipah-e-Sahaba students. (Source)
    Also read the following article in which Abbas Ather hints towards the fact that several of the Sipah-e-Sahaba (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) terrorists were previously a part of the Jamaat-e-Islami. http://criticalppp.com/archives/299
    In the meanwhile, Iranian-influenced Shia ulama of Pakistan keep praising Hamas: (Source)

    Shia Muslims of Pakistan must realize that the Iranian government has its own geo-strategic alliances and enmities, Pakistani Shias cannot afford to blindly follow the Iranian foreign policy at the cost of their own existence.

    Also, it is a fact that in matters of faith (Taqleed, i.e., religious followership), as many Pakistani Shias are aligned with Iraq’s Najaf Seminary as are with Iran’s Qom Seminary. In other words, Iran is not the sole proprietor of Shia community or jurisprudence. Of course Shia Muslims are free to follow any leading Ayatollah (Marja) for the purpose of Taqleed whether he is from Iran, Iraq or any other country, however, the institution of Taqleed must not be confused with the controversial institution of Vilayat-e-Faqih. In other words, Pakistan’s Shias need to think independently in terms of their political direction and priorities. They need to liberate themselves from the vilayat-e-faqih and the Iranian-agenda ulama who routinely hide the fact that the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists are killing Shias in Pakistan. Instead, Pakistan’s Shia Muslims should think about securing their specific interests within the context of Pakistan with an independent and critical mind.
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    Thank you for such an informative post.

    “While urban elite Shias (a tiny minority) remain unharmed because of their class and tight alignment with Pakistan’s military establishment,”

    100% agreed, as I belong to it, and unfortunately they are least bothered about the targeted killing of poor, lower middle class shia community; not to mention the educated middle-class shia, which are also being killed systematically. The intent seems to wipe out both the minds and hearts of shia community.
    And the protected ones stay least bothered.

    But I never thought that it was the direct result of wrong approach of TJP, I never even heard much about them among the elders of my family; so I do not know whether it’s influence is injurious just for the weaker ones—as they are already at disadvantageous position, or ultimately it would instigate the programmed prosecution of entire Shia community—-strong and weak alike.
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    In all honesty it shows the lack of vision and leadership of the Shia leaders of Pakistan. Shia community in Pakistan is not dependent on funds from Iran in fact big sum of money goes from our way to theirs in the form of khums and other charity. So there is no compulsion to blindly follow Iran’s foreign policy objectives.
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    Posted 04 June 2012 – 01:43 AM
    All this time Iran has been dictating you to keep alliagnce with moderate Sunnis. Which Shia is following that request of Imam khamenei. Problem is not with Iran, we ourselves have lost faith.
    I am too against some of their policies but they are good inside their country alone. We have brains to think. If you want to blame someone than blame your molvis not Iran, who followed Iran blindly. Are they only there to eat and deficate.
    I am very proud of Iranian leadership but I am too much embarrassed about leaders and molviz.
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    Its no secret that the policies and position of IR affects shia communities worldwide in varying degrees. However, its not only absurd but pointless to blame Iran because at the end of the day it will not solve anything. We live in chaotic times where drug dealers, hoodlums and bandits have taken over the commanding heights of those societies in our region and are calling the shots. I believe a more effective approach would be to weaken those fanatics by appealing to the good men (who are in majority) among them and also not give reasons for those fanatics to go on their killing sprees such as processions like Jerusalem day or other Iranian funded activities that run contrary to their communal interests.
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    Posted 06 June 2012 – 02:36 AM
    No one gave a response to the bit which indicated that Iran is helping Hamas, muslim brother hood etc and supporting them, while those groups are killing shias. Why would you think Iran would do that?
    2nd question: why wouldn’t it instead help the shia communities outside iran?
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    Posted 06 June 2012 – 09:25 AM
    The article is pretty stupid. Iran denying the fact that the Taliban are killing innocent Shiites? Since when has Iran denied this?

    IMHO I think what is really going on is Iran is refusing to talk about the Taliban situation at all only because these Taliban lunatics will probably go crazy
    and create more severe situations then the already existing tensions. The Taliban would love for Iran to criticize it out loud and in the open air so it can use it as a vehicle to instigate retaliation against both the Shiite of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran.
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    Posted 06 June 2012 – 09:42 AM
    Pakistani maulvis bought into the idea of a exporting the Iranian revolution model to Pakistan and it’s backfired big-time. Different countries have different cultures and situations, what works in X may be a disaster in Y and what Pakistan needed was NOT what Iran got.

    I still hear the same rubbish spouted from pulpits way too often in IndoPak circlest from maulvis who studied in Iran; “it’s the US and Israel”, “We have to believe in WeF”, “Khamenai is our leader blah blah blah”. The agenda in their hawzas is noticeably political.

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    Posted 07 June 2012 – 09:15 PM
    Kismet110, on 06 June 2012 – 09:42 AM, said:
    I still hear the same rubbish spouted from pulpits way too often in IndoPak circlest from maulvis who studied in Iran; “it’s the US and Israel”

    ALI

    You’re so right! When will people finally understand, that its not the US and Israel, but rather, Uganda and Burkina Faso which is the real enemy of Shias?
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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 07:18 AM
    titumir, on 07 June 2012 – 09:15 PM, said:
    You’re so right! When will people finally understand, that its not the US and Israel, but rather, Uganda and Burkina Faso which is the real enemy of Shias?

    So the Israelis are funding sunni terrorist killers in Pakistan? If you have proof of that please do enlighten us.

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    Imam al Sadiq (as) said: “We the family of the Prophet were the first to have their names pronounced. When Allah created the Heaven and Earth he ordered a call to be made. It was announced ‘I testify that there is no God but Allah three times, I testify that Mohammed is his messenger three times and I testify that Ali is the Commander of the Faithful three times.’”

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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 07:45 AM
    Wahdat, on 07 June 2012 – 03:22 PM, said:
    They are right about one thing though- it is US and/or Israel.

    The root of current fanaticism lays in wholesale export of anti-Israeli ikhwani fanatic youth from borders of Israel to our region by the US.

    What are you smoking brother. Where are you from by the way.

    It is ideological warfare from Saudis with financial backing but our molvis are unable or ineligible to fight this war because they have not enough logics and reasons to fight that war because they are indulge in money business, which have made them to just eat and drink and deficate and take dictations from Iran.
    So final result is, all of this [Edited Out] of molvis are falling on innocent civilians.

    Before any one else spark up I can assure you that I have every proof of what I have said.
    Edited by fightingsoul001, 08 June 2012 – 07:48 AM.
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    Kismet110, on 08 June 2012 – 07:18 AM, said:
    So the Israelis are funding sunni terrorist killers in Pakistan? If you have proof of that please do enlighten us.

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    Buried deep in the archives of America’s intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush’s administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents.

    According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives — what is commonly referred to as a “false flag” operation. Foreign Policy

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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 11:12 AM
    ^^^

    An unseen memo, reported on Iranian mouthpiece Press TV, about Jundullah? Right.

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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 11:44 AM
    ShiaBen, on 06 June 2012 – 09:25 AM, said:
    The article is pretty stupid. Iran denying the fact that the Taliban are killing innocent Shiites? Since when has Iran denied this?

    IMHO I think what is really going on is Iran is refusing to talk about the Taliban situation at all only because these Taliban lunatics will probably go crazy and create more severe situations then the already existing tensions. The Taliban would love for Iran to criticize it out loud and in the open air so it can use it as a vehicle to instigate retaliation against both the Shiite of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran.

    You need to take off your Iran-tinted glasses occasionally. SSP/LeJ/Taliban terrorist haramzadas of Pakistan and Afghanistan are killing and bombing Shi’ah every opportunity they get – exactly what other retaliation are you talking about?

    Along with their bee on Shi’ah aquaid they whip their dogs into a frenzy by telling them Pakistani Shi’ah are traitors who are aligned to Iran and have no allegiance to Pakistan – and can you blame them?

    The way we feel when sunnis march around with pictures of Osama Bin Laden is the same way they feel when they see Shi’ah in Pakistan carrying placards of Iranian leaders.

    Anti-Shi’ah sentiment escalated significantly since the revolution, now the killing ground for Saudi vs Iran proxy war is Pakistan.

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    Edited by Kismet110, 08 June 2012 – 11:48 AM.
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    Imam al Sadiq (as) said: “We the family of the Prophet were the first to have their names pronounced. When Allah created the Heaven and Earth he ordered a call to be made. It was announced ‘I testify that there is no God but Allah three times, I testify that Mohammed is his messenger three times and I testify that Ali is the Commander of the Faithful three times.’”

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    Kismet110, on 08 June 2012 – 11:12 AM, said:
    ^^^

    An unseen memo, reported on Iranian mouthpiece Press TV, about Jundullah? Right.

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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 03:03 PM
    Wahdat, on 08 June 2012 – 01:04 PM, said:

    To think that Saudis could formulate policies independent of US and US independent of Israel, or to assume that Salafis are blowing up innocent Shias because the Shia ‘molvis’ have no logic or reason and are eating and sleeping is to have missed the entire point. Dont look at where the finger is pointing, look who is pointing it.

    Roots may be found there but first of all deal with the problems that you are facing.
    I don’t know why can’t you understand a very simple fact that these issues can be tackled by leaders very easily if they become a little less selfish. Religious leaders in past used to travel by foot to spread message of Islam. Can’t they do something for misunderstanding by travelling in their valuable cars and jeeps which they have got through public money. If they even kill them, is it not much better than killing thousands of your professionals and civilians.
    What are they themselves doing when they only propagate Iranian agandas to us, which we can read ourselves from books.

    As far as US is concerned we can’t even handle salafis for time being how will Shia handle them. Let this matter to be settled by countries for time being, it is not our issue as we are not in power in Pakistan now.
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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 04:08 PM
    Wahdat, on 08 June 2012 – 01:33 PM, said:

    source enough?

    http://www.foreignpo…_flag?page=full

    Not really as that’s about Jundullah not SSP/LeJ/Pak Taliban and secondly if it happened then it’s an incident, not systemic.

    The day the so called leadership of Shi’ah stop acting out foreign policy for Iran and actually start calling the local Sunni terrorists what they are will be the beginning of a change.

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    Posted 08 June 2012 – 11:12 PM
    Kismet110, on 08 June 2012 – 11:44 AM, said:
    You need to take off your Iran-tinted glasses occasionally. SSP/LeJ/Taliban terrorist haramzadas of Pakistan and Afghanistan are killing and bombing Shi’ah every opportunity they get – exactly what other retaliation are you talking about?

    Along with their bee on Shi’ah aquaid they whip their dogs into a frenzy by telling them Pakistani Shi’ah are traitors who are aligned to Iran and have no allegiance to Pakistan – and can you blame them?

    The way we feel when sunnis march around with pictures of Osama Bin Laden is the same way they feel when they see Shi’ah in Pakistan carrying placards of Iranian leaders.

    Anti-Shi’ah sentiment escalated significantly since the revolution, now the killing ground for Saudi vs Iran proxy war is Pakistan.

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    If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I’m not surprised why they’re getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.
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    Posted 09 June 2012 – 12:43 AM
    ShiaBen, on 08 June 2012 – 11:12 PM, said:
    If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I’m not surprised why they’re getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

    Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran’s policies can not work in Pakistan.

    I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.
    But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don’t love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.
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    Posted 09 June 2012 – 05:51 AM
    ShiaBen, on 08 June 2012 – 11:12 PM, said:

    If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I’m not surprised why they’re getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

    Right, thanks for this valuable insight.

    fightingsoul001, on 09 June 2012 – 12:43 AM, said:

    Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran’s policies can not work in Pakistan.

    I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.
    But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don’t love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

    Yes, decent sunnis are fine with it but I was referring to the hardcore terrorist sect who use it as another reason to kill Shi’ah.

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    ShiaBen, on 08 June 2012 – 11:12 PM, said:
    If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I’m not surprised why they’re getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

    And do you know what? They won’t talk sense! For example, one member recently asked in a sarcastic manner whether Israel supports terrorists who kill Shia — and when I gave him a link:

    First, he said its PressTV ( The Iranian source, so he won’t believe it)
    Secondly when someone posted the American source (he will believe the American source fine, no problem, his problem is with Iranian sources), he said its just an isolated incident, and that Israel is all fine and dandy and not an enemy of the Shia. So its heads he wins, tails I lose.

    When people won’t use true facts to form their view of the world, what can you expect of them as a nation? Whether its Taliban or fanatically anti-Iran shia?
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    Posted 09 June 2012 – 12:08 PM
    fightingsoul001, on 09 June 2012 – 12:43 AM, said:
    Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran’s policies can not work in Pakistan.

    I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.
    But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don’t love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

    This is a valid point. Ahle Sunna have high regard for the Iranian revolution and its leaders as well as for Hezbollah, whom they have gradually becoming familiar with. Slowly with time, they shall become familiar with the Fiqh Jafaria.

    Things take time.

    The conditions in pakistan are different and what works in Iran may not work in Pakistan.
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    Posted 09 June 2012 – 12:51 PM
    fightingsoul001, on 09 June 2012 – 12:43 AM, said:
    Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran’s policies can not work in Pakistan.

    I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.
    But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don’t love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

    Yes I agree. There were some strange users on the thread that suggested either military intervention by Iran or some kind of unusual Shiite Pakistani military uprising. Any one of these tactics would be suicidal. The best thing Shiites of Pakistan can do is collaborate and strengthen their relationship with the majority Pakistani Sufi Sunni Muslims. These guys have religious beliefs and culture that conflict night and day with the Taliban/Wahabi/Al-Qaida scum. I think about a month or two ago a user posted a link of moderate Sunni Pakistanis protesting Zakir Naik which is a sign of hope.

    Iran usually will send aid in the form of food, clothes etc. Non-violent forms of aid.
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    Posted 10 June 2012 – 04:47 PM
    titumir, on 09 June 2012 – 08:41 AM, said:
    And do you know what? They won’t talk sense! For example, one member recently asked in a sarcastic manner whether Israel supports terrorists who kill Shia — and when I gave him a link:
    First, he said its PressTV ( The Iranian source, so he won’t believe it)
    Secondly when someone posted the American source (he will believe the American source fine, no problem, his problem is with Iranian sources), he said its just an isolated incident, and that Israel is all fine and dandy and not an enemy of the Shia. So its heads he wins, tails I lose.

    When people won’t use true facts to form their view of the world, what can you expect of them as a nation? Whether its Taliban or fanatically anti-Iran shia?

    Firstly I have no problem with you naming me, unlike some people I don’t need to hide. The link you gave and the other person is about the same incident, I don’t out much stock in either link but I would expect Iranian ‘sources’ to be less credible than someone closer to the source especially at these tense times.

    Regardless though that story is linked to a single incident, NOT systemic support. Also it’s about Jundullah and not LeJ/SSP/Taliban, the main Sunni terrorist outfits in Pakistan.

    I don’t dislike or have any personal grudge with Iran or Iranians, my beef is with WeF but that’s e Govt, not the people or land per se.

    When Khomeini wanted to export the revolution he shrewdly latched on to the Israel/Palestine issue as a way of winning over non-Shiah Arab Sunnis. This same zeal was transferred to Shiah clerics in Pakistan and they switched the focus from traditional bogeyman India to Israel. Sad thing is their strange alliances with unsuitable bedfellows has led to a FAR worse situation for Shiah of Pakistan than 30 years back – the problems within a country are usually solved within it, not by naive alignment with a foreign force.

    If you people don’t read books on recent history or politics that’s not my fault.

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    Posted 15 June 2012 – 05:33 AM
    ^^^

    Brother, I don’t doubt the US have their hands in many things but without solid evidence it ends up becoming nothing more than a generic slogan that leaves most people on the ground feeling helpless to change anything.

    Crude example; someone steals from your garden, another person tells you it was xyz individual you might be inclined to do something. However, you get told it was xyz however he’s backed by a powerful group who in turn are backed by a massive power – in this sitation you might end up either feeling scared, helpless or similar.

    In Pakistan the Shi’ah leadership have real difficulty calling a spade a spade in order to not offend anyone (the unity line) but the enemies hava no such qualms! Definitely alignment with a foreign power (albeit only on co-religionist) grounds has done the Shi’ah no favour; ironically the Nasibis are also similarly aligned to Saudi et al but they almost never mention it (in public at least).

    Although totally agree with you about Pakistan at a govt/ISI level; evil, corrupt and a complete sell-out to foreign policy of others.

    Maula help and protect the Shi’ah of Pakistan.

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  31. The author should know the difference between Iran and Islam. You should not mix the two. If the Prophet of Islam was an Arab, does that mean that when we talk about him, we are promoting the Arabian agenda? Similarly, Vilayat e Faqih is an Islamic Ideology and should not be attached with Iran only.
    The author should get some knowledge first and stop maligning the Ulemas. They are not promoting Iranian agenda but promoting Islam.

  32. Tremendous issues here. I’m very satisfied to peer your post. Thank you so much and I’m taking a look ahead to
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  33. Shiite Leadership in Pakistan

    By: Najibullah Shah Gilani
    Sender: Dr. Sadeq Hussain

    In 1947 when Pakistan came into being the first shia party was “Shia conference”, later idara Tahaffaz-e-Huqooq-e-shia and then in the last period of president Ayub khan, Shia Mutalbat Committee was formed that remained till Bhutto’s period.

    In 1979 General Zia ul Hlaq seized ruling powers from Bhutto and announced to make Pakistan a Wahabi state. As many sunni parties raised their voice against this step of General Zia ul Haq the first reaction of Pakistani Shiite was came from Allama Hamid Ali Musawi who was nominated in Pakistan as a representative of Grand Marja of Iraq Ayatullah Syed Mohsin ul Hakim. Hamid Musawi while openly rejecting Zia’s announcement said Pakistan is an ideological state and he would never allow anyone to make it a sectarian state. ln this movement the other scholars of Rawalpindi and Islamabad, dozens of zakireen and prominent figures including Syed Jabir Hussain Shah Rizvi, Hameed Hussain Nuri, Allama Zameerul Hassan Naijfi, Allama Azhar Hassan Zaidi. Pro Iranian personalities like Allama Sajid Naqvi, who was working in a shia Madressa as a lecturer on behalf of lranian Mujtahid, and principal of Montezari backed Madressa Ahlebait Sheikh Muhammad Mohsin also joined their hands with Allama Hamid Ali Musawi. Meanwhile a shia conference was summoned in Bhakkar and Mufti Jafar Hussain (A member of Zia ul Haq’s Ideological Council) was declared as a chief of Tehreek Nifaz Fiqah-e-Jafria (TNFJ). The senior personalities like Allama Zameerul Hassan Najfi, Allama Mirza Yousaf Hussain, Allama Bashir Hussain Fateh ‘Taxila, Allama Badshah Hussain of Parachinar and scholars of Madrissatul Waezeen Lucknow that were being migrated to Pakistan stood with Hamid Ali Musawi the first voice chanter against Zia’s policy and were not pleased with this decision but they did not openly opposed it for the sake of the nation’s unity.

    After the death of Allama Mufti Jaffar Hussain, Allama Sajid Naqvi who was not inside with Hamid Ali Musawi swore allegiance to Hamid Musawi and in a gathering of 7 lakh people at Dinapur city, a moderate personality, Syed Hamid Musawi, was elected as a Chief of Tehreek Nifaz Fiqah-e-Jafria (TNFJ). At the same time a group of Ayatullah Mountazrai backed Madressa Jamiatul Muntazar’s scholars announced Allama Arif Hussaini a young cleric and student of Moulana Badshah Hussain as their chief at a meeting in Bhakkar. Ayatollah Mountazari, the representative of Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Roohullah Khomeini at that time, issued his support for Allama Arif Hussaini, after which this group remained doing work with the name of Tehreek Nifaz Fiqah-e-Jafria (TNFJ) but with the addition of Hussaini Group. It is also believed that Hussaini Group wanted to promote his party for political interests on the basis of sect. So Hussaini Group changed the party’s complexion from a religious organization to a political party. Hamid Musawi, who was a student of Ayatullah Roohullah Khomeini in Najaf Ashraf and a religious wakeel of Ayatullah Khomeni and opponent of Muntaziri’s belief, always rejected any sectarian and violent movement and announced that he would never allow anyone to use Pakistan for their sectarian motives. This ideological split divided the movement into two groups: one headed by Hamid Musawi, the other headed by Arif Husseini. After this division Husseini group had full support of Iranian Government and Pakistani Government.

    The objectives projected by Hussaini Group (recent TJP, The outfit is reported to have been re-named as lslami-Tehreek-e-Pakistan after the proscription to break the shia vote bank of Pakistan People’s Party that was the most favourite party of Pakistani Shiites and a strong opponent of General Ziaul Haq; which is why Nawaz Sharif, who called himself a son of Ziaul Haq joined hands with TJP and TJP worked as an ally of Nawaz Sharif in his period too. The second objective was to bring lranian type revolution in Pakistan. Two TJP members Allama Jawad Hadi and Allama Abid Hussaini were also members of the Pakistani Parliament. The TJP is reported to have links with the Iranian clergy. The outfit sources its finances from Iran, other countries as well as certain commercial groups whilst it is confirmed by authentic sources that TNFJ Syed Hamid Musawi has no Foreign or internal finance assistance from any country and government, and no establishment is working behind Hamid Musawi group.

    Allama Arif Hussaini was killed on August 5, 1988 in Peshawar and after some days General Zia ul Haq was killed in a helicopter accident, According to some reports the Stinger missiles sale to Iran that were being sold to Iran with the help of Allama Arif Husseini was a reason of both killing. The supporters of both victims blamed each other. After the killing of Allama Arif Husseni his representative Allama Sajid Naqvi took control of Husseini Group while Husseni’s second representative Fazil Musawi left for America following his failure to achieve party leadership.

    In 1992 after yielding to the pressure of Hamid Musawi group who has most influence on Pakistani Shiite community, TNFJ Hussaini Group changed its name from Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh Jafariya (TNFJ) Hussaini group to Tehreek-e-Jafariya Pakistan (TJP) to make their group more effective in political ground while Allama Hamid Ali Musawi’s group continues to function under the old nomenclature of TNFJ.

    The TJP has several affiliated militant organizations, including Sipah-e-Abbas, Sipah-e-Ahl-Bait, aujuman janisaran-e- Ahlebait, Minhaj ul Hussain Lahore, and youth bodies like the Imamia Students Organisation (ISO) and the lmamia Organisation, Asghariya students, Baqyatullah Group, Allama lftikhar Hussain Naqvi of Mari Indus group which are reported to trainfor terrorist activities and after 1980 they were trained for terrorist activities in Iran . Since 1994 , the Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP), a group of the TJP with a significant following in Jhang has emerged as a prominent Shia terrorist outfit involved in anti-SSP campaigns, violence and target killings. The TJP is one of the five outfits that have been proscribed by President Pervez Musharraf on January 12, 2002.

    The current violent phase between the two communities, who had lived in relative harmony tor many centuries, is traced to the l980s when a group of Deobandi militants formed the Anjuman Sipah-e-Sahaba (ASS), to wage ‘war’
    against the Shia landholders in Jhang. The ASS, later re-named as the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP),. was established during the lslamisation campaign of the then President Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, and coincided with the Iranian revolution led
    by Ayatollah Khomeini. The Shiite Ulemas (religious scholars) perceived his measures as an attempt to spread Sunnite norms of Hanifite type in the Shiite community. According to analysts, sectarian violence among the rival outfits intensified in the wake of the jihad in Afghanistan as Pakistan, particularly the central and southern Punjab, served as a base for ‘mujahideen’ recruits. Most of these ‘mujahideen’ returned to Pakistan after the Russian forces pulled out in the late 1980s, and brought with them a sizeable supply of arms, ammunition and a proclivity for violence. They joined the extremist sectarian outfits and since then, sectarian rivalry was largely expressed through extreme violence. It is reported that SSP has linked with Saudi Wahabi Government while TJP has links with Iranian government. In fact it was internal war of two countries for that Pakistan’s soil is being used. Rivalry between the two outfits intensified when the SSP founder Haq Nawaz Jhangvi was killed in March 1990. The same year also witnessed the killing of an Iranian diplomat, Sadiq Ganji in Lahore. In 1997, Jhangvi’s successor Zia-ur-Rehman Farooqi and 26 others were killed in a bomb blast at the Lahore Sessions Court. In the aftermath, Iranian diplomat Muhammad Ali Rahimi and six locals were killed in an attack on the Iranian Cultural Centre in Multan. On April 12, 2000 three hand grenades were lobbed at a gathering in a Shia mosque in Mulawali, the hometown of Syed Sajid Naqvi, killing 13 persons, including five members of the family of Syed Sajid Naqvi. The grenade was reportedly hurled from an adjacent Sunni mosque. Shortly thereafter, a TJP leader, Syed Farrukh Barjees was killed at Khanewal near Multan on April 26. On November 23 2000, Anwar Ali Akhunzada, the central general secretary of TJP in Peshawar was assassinated by the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ).

    To counter the Wahabi militancy, the TJP formed Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP) in 1993. It is generally believed that Maulana Mureed Abbas Yazdani created it in 1993 after TJP’s support to take violent steps against SSP whose members were alleged to be targeting some of the Shia’s beliefs. Allama Hamid Ali Musawi (chief of the TNFJ) did not endorse the move of militancy and violent.

    Subsequently, the Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP), headquartered at Thokar Niaz Beg, was created out of the TJP reportedly by Maulana Mureed Abbas Yazdani in 1993 and it adopted a more militant stance against the SSP.

    http://www.jafariyanews.com/articles/2k12/14aug_shia_leadership_pakistan.htm

  34. this article is a part of anti pakistan campaign run by IAI (INDIA AMERICA ISRAEL) one could easily grab the idea of creating only the the hatred in pakistan , i am deobandi and clearly say that we against shia because they dont respect sahaba r.a , but we condenm to kill innocent shias … currently many countries trying to destruct Pakistan so readers please have a glance on this thinking also…………….

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