A humble request to Mustafa Qadri (Amnesty) and Ali Dayan Hasan (HRW)

by admin

Related posts: Appeal to HRW, Amnesty, HRCP: Don’t ignore or misrepresent Shia genocide in Pakistan

Resources on Shia genocide in Pakistan

SOS from Hazara Shias of Quetta

SOS from Toori Shias of Parachinar

SOS from Saraiki Shias of D.I.Khan


Mustafa Qadri and Ali Dayan Hasan are two highly respected gentlemen because of their services to human rights in

Pakistan. Mr. Qadri works for Amnesty International while Mr. Hasan works for Human Rights Watch.

5 Questions

It is my earnest request and hope that Mr. Qadri, Mr. Hasan and other respectable officials of HRW and Amnesty will patiently and sympathetically read this post and provide an answer to the following five questions to the satisfaction of not only Pakistani Shias but also of all human rights and peace loving Pakistanis.

1. With respect, I wish to request these two gentlemen and their respective organizations to kindly clarify their position on the systematic, institutional and ongoing mass murder of Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

2. Definitional issues: Can the systematic, institutional and on going mass murder of Shia Muslims in Pakistan by the TTP, SSP-LeJ, JeM and other militants (some of which are known jihadi proxies of Pakistan’s military establishment) be categorized as genocide? Under which definition or criteria, it may or may not be classified as genocide? What is the appropriate term to describe the ongoing mass murder (if not genocide) of Shia Muslims in Pakistan?

3. Apart from the definitional issues, when was the last time HRW and Amnesty published detailed data on Shia genocide in Pakistan e.g., in Parachinar, Dera Ismail Khan, Quetta etc?

4. What is stopping HRW and Amnesty to record and publish current data on Shia genocide in Pakistan? On what basis do these organisations set their priorities?

5. Can we expect detailed reports by HRW and Amnesty on mass murders of Shias in Parachinar, Quetta, Dera Ismail Khan etc in the near future? Approximately when?

I really hope that an answer by these gentlemen will enhance communication, transparency and an environment of trust between Amnesty/HRW and Pakistani human rights activists.


Conversation with Mustafa Qadri

shero1985 Sheryar Mehmood
RT @Laibaah @Mustafa_Qadri We condemn sectarian rants by @cpyala against a mass murdered community. Cafe Jhangvi: https://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/cafe-pyala-or-cafe-jhangvi/

Mustafa_Qadri Mustafa Qadri
@shero1985 @Laibaah @cpyala ok remember that ignorance in law is no defence killing of Shia serious crime but genocide has strict definition

Mustafa_Qadri Mustafa Qadri
@shero1985 @Laibaah @cpyala the more loosely word genocide used the less value it has. Think before you get passionate.

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@Mustafa_Qadri Can you plz provide a “strict definition” of genocide, and how Shia massacre does not qualify that? @shero1985 @cpyala

Mustafa_Qadri Mustafa Qadri
@Laibaah @shero1985 @cpyala read the genocide convention brother, you have an internet connection

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@Mustafa_Qadri @shero1985 @cpyala http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm read article II, and a & c. Why doesn’t it apply to Shias of Pakistan? Pray tell.

shero1985 Sheryar Mehmood
@mustafa_qadri Sir after going through the articles I cant see how this is not a genocide. Can u explain to us y it isn’t? @cpyala @Laibaah

shero1985 Sheryar Mehmood
@Laibaah @Mustafa_Qadri @cpyala Article 2 very explicitly defines the genocide, and I guess the Shias killing totally fits that definition.

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@Mustafa_Qadri I hope you will explain why Shia massacre in Pakistan does not fit the genocide def. article II, a,b,c @shero1985 @cpyala

shero1985 Sheryar Mehmood
@Laibaah @Mustafa_Qadri @cpyala and I think the free hand given to haters like Malik Ishaq is a total proof of state patronage to these killings.

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@shero1985 @Mustafa_Qadri @cpyala Also the fact that, sadly, Shia genocide remains ignored by human rights org. http://www.petitiononline.com/PakBlogz/petition.html

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@shero1985 @Mustafa_Qadri @cpyala Pakistan is the only country where a mass murdered community is complaining against human rights orgstions

Mustafa_Qadri Mustafa Qadri
@Laibaah @shero1985 actually that’s not true in virtually every country ppl complain human rights orgs don’t care for them

Mustafa_Qadri Mustafa Qadri
@shero1985 @Laibaah on it’s face it seems to but remember each word in Art has legal meaning if you look closely not so clear

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@Mustafa_Qadri Sir, this is exactly what we want to learn. What is exact legal definition of genocide that does not apply here? @shero1985

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@Mustafa_Qadri Also what is stopping @hrw, @amnesty etc to document and publish data on Shia mass murder (if not genocide)? @shero1985

Conversation with Ali Dayan Hasan

AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
@Laibaah Shias are being targeted, killed, discriminated against widely. True. But “genocide” is a big word – overused and misused.

@yasmeen_9 is making defensive argument ignoring reality of pervasive sectarian prejudice. But @Laibaah please do not misuse term “genocide”

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@AliDayan Sir, Shia genocide is not taking place in Pakistan? Is that a fig of my imagination? http://criticalppp.com/archives/tag/shia-genocide

Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
@AliDayan Genocide: “the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, religious or national group” (Wiki), These are definitional issues which we can debate. Call it mass murder or whatever, but please publish data and highlight it.

smhaider smhaider
@AliDayan @Laibaah Mr Ali i would like to refer you to 1948 UN Convention CPPCG Article 2 wch defines genocide as act commtted with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. So.. aint it genocide

@AliDayan Its genocide according to definitions @laibaah

MirSohaib Mir Sohaib Mengal
@AliDayan The Genocide Convention of 1948, to which Pakistan has been a party since 1957, applies to killings of or causing serious mental or physical harm to, members of a racial or religious group as such, with intent to destroy that group in whole or in part.

An Appeal to HRW, Amnesty, HRCP etc

mSaleemJaved Saleem Javed
Appeal to @hrw , @Amnesty, HRCP : Don’t ignore or misrepresent silent Shia Hazara genocide in #Pakistan

3 Comments to “A humble request to Mustafa Qadri (Amnesty) and Ali Dayan Hasan (HRW)”

  1. Commendable work,admin! Such people should be pushed into questions.

  2. Mr. Ali Dayan Hasan’s response

    AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    @Laibaah @CChristineFair @mazdaki @KamranShafi46 @AbdulNishapuri @Mustafa_Qadri Thanks. @HRW does not respond to blogposts.

    mazdaki Mohammad Taqi
    Friends,give @AliDayan actionable info/paper-trail etc 2 document plz @laibaah @cchristinefair @kamranshafi46 @abdulnishapuri @mustafa_qadri
    7 hours ago

    AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    @Laibaah @HRW doesn’t respond to blogposts or anonymous, unidentifiable bloggers . That is NOT how credible HR positions are formulated.
    7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    @Laibaah As you live in the US please seek a meeting with @HRW, identify yourself and pass on solid evidence of abuses you might have.
    7 hours ago

    AliDayan Ali Dayan Hasan
    @Laibaah @HRW formulates policy positions after exhaustive research & not based on opinions of anonymous bloggers no matter how sincere
    7 hours ago


    My response

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @mazdaki Shia killings (1 Jan-20 Feb 2009) http://www.petitiononline.com/PakBlogz/petition.html @AliDayan @cchristinefair @kamranshafi46 @abdulnishapuri @mustafa_qadri
    16 minutes ago

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @mazdaki SOS for Shias of D.I.Khan http://criticalppp.com/archives/995 @AliDayan @cchristinefair @kamranshafi46 @abdulnishapuri @mustafa_qadri
    15 minutes ago

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @mazdaki Shia massacre in Parchinar http://criticalppp.com/archives/tag/parachinar @AliDayan @cchristinefair @kamranshafi46 @abdulnishapuri @mustafa_qadri
    10 minutes ago

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @mazdaki SOS from Hazara Shias of Quetta: http://criticalppp.com/archives/tag/hazara @AliDayan @cchristinefair @kamranshafi46 @abdulnishapuri @mustafa_qadri
    8 minutes ago

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @AliDayan I have sent u some links based on bloggers research. @CChristineFair @mazdaki @KamranShafi46 @AbdulNishapuri @Mustafa_Qadri @HRW
    6 minutes ago

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @AliDayan Given SSS’s murder by ISI, safety is an imp. concern. @CChristineFair @mazdaki @KamranShafi46 @AbdulNishapuri @Mustafa_Qadri @HRW
    3 minutes ago Favorite Reply Delete

    Laibaah Laiba Ahmad Marri
    @AliDayan More than 500 signs here: http://www.petitiononline.com/PakBlogz/petition.html @CChristineFair @mazdaki @KamranShafi46 @AbdulNishapuri @Mustafa_Qadri @HRW

  3. How to do a poor interview – by Raza Rumi. No questions on Pakistan’s most target killed faith group (Shia), most persecuted group (Ahmadi)

    Link to a poor interview by Raza Rumi: hrw.org/news/2012/02/0… Wipes out Pakistan’s major human rights issues! Sad!

    How can anyone talk about state of human rights in Pakistan in 2011 & completely wipe out the most target killed faith group? Wah, liberal!

    When you talk about the silence and misrepresentation of genocides of Baloch and Shia in Pakistan’s media, you must look at yourself too!

    Previously we saw a blogger concerned about silence of Pakistani society on human rights violations while herself wiping out Shia genocide.

    You don’t have the right to keep misrepresenting Shia massacres in Pakistan: A comment on HRCP 2010 Report

    Dear liberals: Perhaps one article per dead Shia will be too much for you. Can you plz write an article after every 20 Shias target killed?

    atifahmads Atif S Ahmad
    RT @Laibaah1 Link to a poor interview by Raza Rumi: hrw.org/news/2012/02/0… Wipes out Pakistan’s major human rights issues! Sad! #Ahmadis #Shia


    Interview with Ali Dayan Hasan
    ‘The historical strategy of transfering power without authority to civilians is no longer tenable’

    by Raza Rumi
    Published in: The Friday Times
    FEBRUARY 3, 2012

    Ali Dayan Hasan
    World Report 2012: Pakistan
    Pakistan: Rights Suffer Under Army Power Grab
    HRW’s annual report for 2011 has given a scathing account of the state of human rights? How would you compare it to the 2010 and 2009 reports?

    2011 was a particularly bad year even by Pakistan’s standards and saw a spike in abuses and expanding impunity for abusers. Persecution and discrimination under cover of law against religious minorities and other vulnerable groups reached a zenith and freedom of belief and expression came under severe threat. The government utterly failed to provide protection to people threatened by extremists or hold the extremists accountable. Some 800 politically-motivated killings took place in Karachi. Balochistan suffered at the hands of intelligence agencies and the FC as targeted killings of Baloch nationalists became routine and disappearances continued. Militants retaliated in the province by murdering non-Baloch. Taliban and Al Qaeda terror attacks continued. Sindh saw massive flooding for the second year running displacing some 700,000 people. And we saw a push-back from the military, which effectively wrested control of foreign and national security policy from elected institutions creating real fears of a derailing of the constitutional process altogether.

    However, last year also saw a marginal decline in suicide bombings by the Taliban. Parliament, which has had an excellent legislative record throughout its tenure, enacted some exceptional laws to protect women. But it is equally true that these gains were overshadowed by the traumatic events and setbacks outlined above. The fact is that towards the end of the year, it even appeared that attempts to undermine the democratic transition altogether were close to success.

    Are you suggesting that the elected government is not “in power”?

    I think that would be an overstatement. And this is a work in progress. In a transitional democracy, it is essential that constitutional rule and due process of law be protected above all as human rights protections flow from that. And in that limited but critical area, the government has had some success, other failures notwithstanding. But it would be accurate to say that the military has yet to fully come to terms with the fact that its historical strategy of transferring power without authority to civilians is no longer tenable.

    However, just because the constitutional and political system survived the setbacks of 2011 should not be confused with the reality that it was in very grave danger. The sorry fact is that the government’s control over the military and intelligence agencies is largely notional. In Balochistan and KP, where the greatest abuses are taking place, civilian authorities exercise virtually no control over security policy. So the answer actually is more democracy not less, more accountability for the military and intelligence agencies not less.

    The recent report released by the judicial commission to investigate the murder of Saleem Shahzad has also been criticised by HRW. Some view HRW’s verdict as a bit too harsh given that the commission faced the intractable problem of receiving insufficient evidence?

    It is not clear that the commission even sought to look for evidence. The commissions’ findings are counter-intuitive at best. Saleem Shahzad had made it clear to HRW that should he be killed, the ISI should be considered the principal suspect. He had not indicated he was afraid of being killed by militant groups or anybody else as suggested by the commission. At great personal risk, witnesses presented themselves before the commission to offer accounts of ISI and military involvement in human rights abuses. The commission repaid this courage by muddying the waters and suggesting that just about anyone could have killed Shahzad. The commission even found it appropriate to recommend that the “press be made more law-abiding and accountable through the strengthening of institutions mandated by law to deal with legitimate grievances against it.” It is perverse to use an investigation into the killing of a journalist as a way of limiting press freedom. The commission shied away in confronting the ISI over Shahzad’s death and its failure to get to the bottom of Saleem Shahzad’s killing illustrates the ability of the ISI to remain beyond the reach of Pakistan’s criminal justice system.

    Are you saying that Pakistan’s courts are not exercising their authority effectively to enforce fundamental rights? They have recently given very strict orders to produce the missing persons before them?

    We are encouraged by and welcome the Supreme Court’s belated efforts to trace missing persons and hold the agencies generally and the ISI specifically to account for numerous serious allegations of torture, abuse, disappearances and killings against it. But sustainability is key to success. And the fact is that to date, three years after the restitution of the independent judiciary, no ISI or military personnel have been held accountable for multiple allegations of heinous abuse against them. The day the courts actually hold military and intelligence personnel accountable, it will send a powerful message that impunity for abuses will no longer be tolerated. HRW and all human rights defenders look forward to that day.

    Some quarters have criticised HRW’s stance towards Pakistani courts calling it excessive and perhaps unwarranted? Do international organisations have the mandate to question national courts?

    Rights-respecting rule of law is impossible in the absence of an independent judiciary. HRW advocated and lobbied, internationally and in Pakistan, for this, and welcomed the restoration of independent judges. Now that judicial independence has been achieved, it is our view that judicial conduct has to be scrutinized thoroughly, and the judiciary has to be held to the highest standard. Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry knows and acknowledges the role HRW and other international groups have played in the struggle for his restitution to office and the emergence of an independent judiciary in Pakistan. All man-made institutions are fallible and subject to human error. This is particularly true of transitional institutions of which Pakistan’s emerging independent judiciary is but one. Only those who support human rights abuse and abusers, who hanker after a return to dictatorship and seek to see the independence of the judiciary curtailed or tailored to specific anti-rights agendas would oppose such scrutiny.

    And of course it is HRW’s mandate to raise its voice against abuse, lack of due process or institutional over-reach that may result in injustice by any quarter anywhere in the world and we will not hesitate to do so. Certainly, scurrilous campaigns are not going to deter us.

    Does HRW agree that drone strikes violate Pakistan’s sovereignty and violate people’s rights?

    The sovereignty argument is problematic as Pakistan’s military, regardless of its public posturing, has been complicit in the drone strikes. But, we consider the business of CIA drone strikes an issue that raises serious human rights concerns. Last year, the US carried out about 75 aerial drone strikes which resulted in claims of large numbers of civilian casualties. Lack of access to the conflict areas has prevented independent verification and HRW has repeatedly called on the Pakistani military which controls access to the conflict zone to provide the same. Little is known about who is killed in CIA drone strikes in Pakistan and under what circumstances. HRW has stated categorically that this unaccountable free-for-all operation, whether with the covert support of the Pakistani military or without, is unacceptable. Given that the US resists public accountability for CIA drone strikes, they should simply not be happening.

    Ali Dayan Hasan is Pakistan director at Human Rights Watch.


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