Dr Mohammad Taqi, Yasser Latif Hamdani and “Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh Moment”

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Editor’s note: Recently we came across a heated debate on Twitter between two regular columnists of Pakistan’s Daily Times, Dr. Mohammad Taqi and Yasser Latif Hamdani. Yasser also co-edits Pak Tea House blog along with Raza Rumi. In this post, we are cross-posting the two articles and also publishing some of the reactions on Twitter.

Through posting this debate and the heated exchange, we seek to have views of Pakistan’s oppressed minority groups, particularly the Balochs. What do our Baloch friends think about this exchange? Which view do they support even if partially and why?

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Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh moment -Dr MohammadTaqi

Source: Daily Times, 15 March 2012

No state today may embark upon an ethnic cleansing of a people and then invoke sovereignty as a shield against international scorn or humanitarian intervention

In his book, The Wilsonian Moment: Self-determination and International Origins of Anticolonial Nationalism, Professor Erez Manela records a fascinating story. He writes, “In June 1919, Nguyen Tat Thanh, a 28-year old kitchen assistant from French Indochina, set out to present a petition to the world leaders then assembled in Paris for the peace conference. The document, entitled ‘The claims of the People of Annam’, echoed the rhetoric of the president of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, who had recently emerged in the international arena as a champion of the right of all peoples to self-determination.”

Professor Manela goes on to note: “The young man from Indochina, who signed the petition as Nguyen Ai Quoc or Nguyen the Patriot, had sought a personal audience with the American president to plead his people’s case before Wilson.” The young Nguyen had even rented appropriate attire for the proposed meeting with the president, which, as luck would have it, was not meant to be. But, after adopting the Leninist model of struggle for self-determination, the young patriot went on become Ho Chi Minh!

Uncle Ho was not the only one enamoured of Wilson’s vision of a new world order that would undo the ‘traditional’ imperialism through liberal reform and deliver a world where the human, political and territorial rights of the peoples would be respected and upheld. From the Egyptian nationalist leader Sa’ad Zaghlul to the Korean March 1 “Samil” Movement against the Japanese occupation, all were inspired by Wilson’s self-determination discourse and sought his personal, and the US’s assistance in their quest for freedom.

Many who sought such help were disappointed. For example, the Korean delegation that wanted to address the Paris Peace Conference was blocked from doing so by Japan, which occupied Korea — and also by the US. Nonetheless, the freedom fighters saw an opportunity in a world then undergoing geopolitical tectonic shifts and tried to make their case in the most forceful manner they could.

The Baloch nationalists lobbying the US Congress for support and the Congressman Dana Rohrabacher’s concurrent resolution number 104 in support of the Baloch right of self-determination was thus, not really unprecedented. Sensing an opportunity in the emerging geopolitical scenario played out between the US, Iran, Pakistan and China, the Baloch resolution timing is spot-on. A loose cannon perhaps, and certainly no Wilson he, but Rohrabacher has managed to send Pakistani state apparatchiks and intellectuals scurrying for a response and damage control.

The anxiety of the so-called Pakistani foreign policy elite is indeed palpable now and their response has ranged from the standard party line that ‘Balochistan is an integral part of Pakistan’ to really a horrendously revisionist approach to history — and the future. Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Ms Sherry Rehman, has reportedly written a letter to the US House of Representatives speaker John Boehner about the Rohrabacher resolution saying, “Statements and resolutions in contravention of the UN charter and international norms could undermine Pakistan-US relations.”

The full text of the letter has not been shared by the Pakistani embassy in Washington, D.C. yet. It would be interesting to see which part of the UN charter Madam Ambassador has invoked. Suffice it to say that sovereignty and territorial integrity have never been and certainly are not today a defence for gross violations of fundamental human rights and absolutely not for the systemic genocide underway in Balochistan.

State sovereignty is not independent of the broader principles of international law and norms, including the universal proscription of abuses of fundamental rights. No state today may embark upon an ethnic cleansing of a people and then invoke sovereignty as a shield against international scorn or humanitarian intervention.

In the post-colonial world, the principle of self–determination of peoples versus the territorial integrity and/or sovereignty of a state is certainly a complicated legal debate and hard to resolve practically. While territory and sovereignty over it are considered to be the sine qua non of a state, one of the stated purposes of the UN, enunciated clearly in its charter, is “to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”.

For the most part, the nation state and its sovereignty have been able to trump — except in cases of massive human rights violations — the self-determination principle and the thrust of the Pakistani strategy will be to continue trying to undermine the latter in the Baloch context. Diverting attention to internal sovereignty and ‘democratic’ means will remain the state mantra.

Interestingly, but not surprisingly, some of the Pakistani liberal elite not only parrot the official line but go a step further. The novelist Mohsin Hamid, writing recently in an English contemporary, first defaces history through his preposterous assertion that Pakistan was created to protect the rights of the minorities. That piece needs to be dealt with separately but one line is worth mentioning. Hamid says: “Yet an independent Balochistan would in itself solve little. Balochistan is almost half non-Baloch. What of the rights of the non-Baloch in Balochistan?”

One has to have grown up on nothing but a steady diet of the Pakistan Studies textbooks to be so ignorant of Baloch history, grievances and demands. Hamid has retrofitted the Pakistan movement as the minorities’ champion but does not extend this courtesy to the future Baloch state. He also appears to presume that the Baloch claim to self-determination and their irredentism, and the resulting state, are anchored in the principle of uti possidetis juris, which implies that the new sovereign states preserve and retain the same boundaries as their predecessor colonial structures.

For starters, the Baloch have not had an irredentist claim on Pashtun territories as such and never did propose a greater Balochistan inheriting the present borders. In addition, going by the 1998 census, Balochi is the mother language of the majority — 54.76 percent — in present-day Balochistan (Pakistani census data does not list ethnicity). Moreover, the Brahui today identify themselves as Baloch, making Baloch the clear majority in what would be the greater Balochistan. Hamid’s fantastic account is not just a fallacist’s fallacy but also a very dangerous manoeuvre with the potential to set two peoples on a collision course.

The Baloch resistance leaders and especially the Baloch diaspora should swiftly counter the rhetoric — no matter how incoherent and absurd — unleashed by the Pakistani state and its fellow travelers rattled by the international attention in the wake of Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh moment.

The writer can be reached at mazdaki@me.com. He tweets at http://twitter.com/mazdaki

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20123\15\story_15-3-2012_pg3_2

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Rebuttal to Dr. Taqi’s “Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh Moment”

Source: Pak Tea House – March 15th, 2012
By Yasser Latif Hamdani

It seems that there is a section within Pakistan’s intelligentsia that equates liberalism with unquestioning loyalty to Baloch separatism. In other words it does not matter if you believe in a separation of church and state, equal rights for women and minorities and other things that would be considered the touchstones of liberalism in most countries of the world – if you do not believe in the righteousness of the cause of Baloch nationalism you cannot be considered a liberal. A corollary of this argument is that a true liberal is by definition anti-Pakistan! A true liberal – according to this bankrupt definition- is necessarily pro-ethno-fascism and pro-India. Any deviation from this sanctioned liberalism means you are a product of Pakistan Studies.

Consider for example the views of one Dr. Muhammad Taqi – yet another medical professional who imagines himself a great political pundit in a long list of medical doctors from all sides of the spectrum starting with Dr. Shahid Masood. In his article in the Daily Times – the good doctor attacks Mohsin Hamid for being a product of Pakistan Studies and attacks Sherry Rahman (the same Sherry Rahman who unlike these self styled champions of people’s rights is under threat for her practical efforts for minorities in Pakistan) for doing her job in Washington.

This is what Mohsin Hamid, in his article in Express Tribune, said which caused pungent flatulence that was released on Daily Times’ pages today:

“There are two ways of explaining why Pakistan was created. One is to say that the impulse for Pakistan was a Muslim-nationalist impulse. That is what we are taught in school and probably what most Pakistanis believe.

But there is another explanation. And it is this: the drive to form Pakistan was rooted in the notion of minority rights. During the haggling that preceded independence, most Muslim leaders initially wanted constitutional safeguards protecting the rights of a Muslim minority within Hindu-majority India. Only when they decided this would not be possible did partition become their aim.

Even then, British India did not necessarily have to become just two countries with a burning enmity: India and Pakistan. It could as easily have been split into several: perhaps a northwestern country that included not just current Pakistan but also the Indian-controlled part of Kashmir and Indian Punjab, as Jinnah himself had wanted; a northeastern country centred around a unified Bangladesh and Indian Bengal; and a variety of other countries between them and to their south.”

Only someone devoid of basic English comprehension would suggest that this is a Pakistan Studies view. The view above has been articulated by most historians in the West starting with Ayesha Jalal. Other notable writers who have echoed this view include Stanley Wolpert (“Shameful Flight”), H M Seervai (“Partition of India; Legend and Reality”), Ian Bryant Wells (“Jinnah Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity”) and Jaswant Singh (“Jinnah, India-Partition-Independence”). None of these authors can be described “products of Pakistan Studies” by any stretch of imagination nor have they “retrofitted” this view into the Pakistan Movement. How can this be a Pakistan Studies’ inspired view when it says the exact opposite of what is drummed into our youth regarding the founding of this country.

Indeed what Taqi mian says Pakistan Movement stood for is what Pakistan Studies also said it stood for. The idea that Pakistan was founded as a result of a religious impulse is post-hoc. Late Hamza Alavi’s brilliant analysis in “Pakistan and Islam, Ethnicity and Ideology” makes this argument look like Swiss Cheese. Therefore the officially sanctioned view is that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and the counter-view is that Pakistan was a bargaining counter for constitutional safeguards. The idea that Pakistan was a country for minorities can be found in the Lahore Resolution itself which speaks clearly and consistently on minorities and their rights.

Now coming to the Baloch case – again Mohsin Hamid is right: Baloch separatism will solve nothing. The case of the Baloch separatists is based on a tenuous legal argument regarding the status of the Kalat State. Even if this argument is granted – and it may only granted simultaneously with the accession of small principalities like Lasbela to Pakistan- the right of self determination becomes limited to Kalat proper – a land locked state back to square one which if independent would have to work out a treaty with Pakistan to exist. This also means NO GWADAR, NO QUETTA. Too bad for the cynical backers of Baloch separatism. Of course in any other situation this would be described as imperialist sabre rattling but to suggest that Baloch separatism is backed by the new Great Gamers seeking to block Eastern Chinese access to Arabian sea is to hang one’s self with these jokers who have hijacked “liberalism”. Taqi’s argument that Uti possidetis juris has no application to the Baloch case thus defeats his own contentions. So muddled and confused is Taqi about the Balochistan case, that he has managed to provide the most forceful counter-argument to the Baloch Separatist case without even realising it.

Dana Rohrabacher – a crazy right-wing republican in the McCarthyist tradition known for forwarding ridiculous resolutions- has thrilled crooks cranks and mad men. Perhaps it is time to investigate the chatter amongst the self styled champions of Baloch cause and its timing following Ralph Peter’s grand plan in 2005 (which this writer wrote on back then). The problems of the Baloch people are of fundamental human rights – the right to a good life, the right to their own culture and the right to live freely as citizens of this country. In my view at least this is the only legitimate cause for which any liberal can stand. Predictably Rohrabacher and other such crazy senators are yet to forward a single resolution supporting the cause of religious minorities in Pakistan – a much more urgent issue concerning the fate of 8 million + non-Muslims of Pakistan.

Unlike Dr. Taqi who accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being funded by the ISI and part of the establishment I won’t accuse him of being on any payroll but I will say that he is as crazy as Rohrabacher. After Imran Khan’s 30 October Jalsa, he came out with a threatening article against US Consulate in Lahore making a big deal about “red cent” and what not. For someone who claims to be a leftist, Taqi acts like Joseph McCarthy accusing Lahore US Consulate to be hand in glove with Al Qaeda. So in a nutshell separation of any part of Balochistan is a non-starter and a distraction from the real issues of Pakistan i.e. the systematic denial of fundamental rights to many groups in Pakistan. To this end the view forwarded by Mohsin Hamid is essential. It is time we undid the myths about the creation of Pakistan and put things in the proper context. It also means rejecting extremists and off-base characters on all sides especially those who speak with a forked tongue.

http://pakteahouse.net/2012/03/15/rebuttal-to-dr-taqis-balochistans-ho-chi-minh-moment/

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Why am I not surprised? A life-style (and verbose) liberal lauds the other for ostensibly saving him from colossal embarrassment?
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So what are @beenasarwar @marvisirmed @Razarumi and many other friends views on wat has been published at PTH
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@AishaFSarwari better call it Regurgitation of Jalal n Seervai minus #ImranKhanPTI, what he’s good at 4 the last decade @takar22 @mazdaki
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Once again @Razarumi ‘s shoulder used for an abusive, name calling post about Dr Taqi @mazdaki hence ppl blame Laibaah and LUBP for that

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@Razarumi Yeah, appreciatons for a piece where one is compared to Shahid masoods and called McCarthy, Isnt it double standard @marvisirmed

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@Razarumi @DilliDurAst @parivrajakan Raza bhai do you watch supernatural? I like to burn the bones as well.

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@aliarqam You are welcome to write a rejoinder. I respect @mazdaki & his honesty but believe others have a right to disagree! @marvisirmed
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@aliarqam Check the post again and tell me what is wrong? @p_adic_Saurav @marvisirmed
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@aliarqam You are distorting what I said. Check TL. I told him once the response has been written/published why pot shots? @marvisirmed

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Rebuttal to Dr. Taqi’s “Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh Moment”

8m Raza Rumi ‏ @Razarumi Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
There is no one version of our reality, our history. Nor a single solution to our multiple crises. Hearing all POVs is healthy &not a crime!
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@marvisirmed Thanks Marvi. But please note that the piece is not mine – it is by you know who @p_adic_Saurav @aliarqam @beenasarwar
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@aliarqam In fact pls look at your TL. Kamran Shafi & I told YLH to write his views rather than tweet aimlessly @p_adic_Saurav @marvisirmed
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@aliarqam No need to spin conspiracy theories. I believe that we should have debate & represent plurality on @paktea .No cops @marvisirmed

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Why am I not surprised? A life-style (and verbose) liberal lauds the other for ostensibly saving him from colossal embarrassment?
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@theRealYLH @sherryrehman Excellent piece, Yasser! Much appreciated.
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CORRECTION: Superb response by @theRealYLH to Dr. Taqi’s critique of my “Minority Rights” piece http://nblo.gs/vc4wG v @Razarumi
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Superb response by @AliDayan to Dr. Taqi’s critique of my “Minority Rights” piece http://nblo.gs/vc4wG v @Razarumi

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Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh moment by Dr. Taqi. Warning: The self-righteous and hopelessly sentimental jingoists ll find it unpalatable
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@p_adic_Saurav He is very shameless man yaar, Look at this piece and his comments abt our former blog and me http://bit.ly/av79ae @mazdaki
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@marvisirmed It increases traffic PTH alexa ranking 24671, while in active ylh days, it was near 12000 @Razarumi @beenasarwar
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@aliarqam The best way is to write a decent rebuttal to his shitty piece. @Razarumi @beenasarwar
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@aliarqam His stinky piece starts with slandering @mazdaki, who has NEVER claimed any ‘pundit-ness’ claimed by YLH @Razarumi @beenasarwar

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@DilliDurAst @Razarumi @parivrajakan ofcourse according to @mazdaki Ambedkar is a fictional character invented by Pakistan Studies.
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@theRealYLH Your rebuttal to @mazdaki is worrying. Shows that with age you are becoming more and more pro-establishment🙂 Ouch.
1h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@mohsin_hamid my blog in response to @mazdaki’s article against you: http://pakteahouse.net/2012/03/15/rebuttal-to-dr-taqis-balochistans-ho-chi-minh-moment/ @sherryrehman
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@theRealYLH God bless you … Be well @thereallahori
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Dissent unlimited: @mazdaki on #Balochistan ’s Ho Chi Minh moment http://bit.ly/wBnpCe
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Salamoona– Waroor Jana sangay Yeh,,, @mazdaki
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@aliarqam God bless you Jana . So proud of you.
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@takar22 Lala , it’s more than Pak Studies. Da ashna da Mohsin Hamid hum plaar de – arch-revisionist .. Jinnah refurbish factory @aliarqam
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@NilimDutta Thank you my friend and likewise. Please do send me your work on Kashmir.
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@NilimDutta Enjoying every bit of it. These are just Jinnah’s fan … Madam Ambassador’s minions lie in wait🙂
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@theRealYLH @mazdaki Why don’t you rebut the article please?
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#Balochistan ’s Ho Chi Minh moment http://bit.ly/wBnpCe my DT piece on #self-determination #Pakistan #MohsinHamid #SherryRehman #FB
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@mazdaki Bhai Wah, Taqi. Your finest. In any case, what did Sherry expect to get from Boehner? Only telling the world how rattled GHQ is!

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@fk she also fails to condemn the introduction of state religion and Muslim only PM clauses by the PPP. #CROOK
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erratum tongue.
12h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
4. She fails to condemn PPP’s 2nd Amendment to the Constitution while speaking of Ahmadis’ plight with a forked tiongue. #CROOK
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@faisalkapadia 3. There are many places where she has invented stuff deliberately which is ok because her IQ is not much to begin with.
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12h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@faisalkapadia 2. in her article of 15.08.2011 she had abused people like me for saying Jinnah was secular. #FLIPFLOP #CROOK
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12h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@faisalkapadia 1. For eg in her famous debate with her soul mate i.e. zaid hamid she claimed that Jinnah was secular. Which is good but..
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12h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@faisalkapadia she is a crook. It is not an unsubstantiated accusation. I can prove it.

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Unless you have the moral courage of standing up to the bully @marvisirmed and asking her not to abuse first, don’t give me your sermons.
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@faisalkapadia @anthonypermal @Razarumi @marvisirmed @mazdaki why is it that your bhashans are directed at me. Check timelines.

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@theRealYLH U know what u r a self righteous retard.Good luck to ur clients whom doesnt know ur background reality @KamranShafi46 @mazdaki
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@Diagoh how about learning to write properly first Oh wait that is the fault of the damned Pakistani liberal elite.

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RT @SAAwais: @theRealYLH Don’t worry Hamdani Saab about @marvisirmed’s rant; Marvi has nothing to do with reasoning and logic!
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@theRealYLH Just ignore, I read to article today. its wonderful!!! spot on.

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@Hira_G @ShirazHassan you see anchors like offbase characters. Bringing @marvisirmed on TV does much more damage to liberalism than anything
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“A country for minorities” – a compelling and important op-ed by @mohsin_hamid – http://tribune.com.pk/story/344536/a-country-for-minorities/
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@ShirazHassan nothing man. Old troll @aliarqam the idiot has started an abusive war against me. #bhonktaykutay and what not.
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13h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I don’t even know why @razarumi is friends with a crook like @marvisirmed – that is like befriending Zaid Hamid.

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RT @akkhan81: @theRealYLH dismisses argument of Baloch separatists– distracts from ‘more urgent issue’ of … http://m.tmi.me/mYUuQ
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Nice to see @aliarqam and @marvisirmed getting their chuddies all tied up abusing me. #Chuddy #buddy
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@ilyasakbarkhan is one of the biggest crooks in cyberspace. Now it turns out that like Taqi “lala” he too suffers from self esteem issues.

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I don’t understand why @mazdaki the chubby crook is allowed to deface history and facts in the manner he does.
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@theRealYLH @mazdaki I had no choice but to go to your profile Taqi sb… you have quite a pleasant personality..ignore the zombie !!
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@TheRealLahori @mazdaki ha ha. Amazing how Taqi mian sends his dogs to do his dirty work.
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@theRealYLH God bless you … Be well @thereallahori
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@mazdaki bakwas na karo. I don’t need your “blessings”. @thereallahori

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@Razarumi @DilliDurAst @parivrajakan when Jinnah said the same thing he became a communalist.
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3h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@TheRealLahori @mazdaki ha ha. Amazing how Taqi mian sends his dogs to do his dirty work.

Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@takar22 @mazdaki @aliarqam not Mohsin Hamid, sherry rahman or indeed yours truly. Pak studies kids are reactionaries like mazdaki.
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4h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@takar22 @mazdaki @aliarqam will help you to realise that it is mazdaki and aliarqam who went to pakistani schools and read pak studies cont
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4h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@takar22 @mazdaki @aliarqam that accusation does not make any sense. Merely calling a diff point of view pak studies is a bad argument.
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4h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@takar22 @mazdaki @aliarqam anyone familiar with my writing knows that I have nothing to do with Pakstudies.
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5h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@KamranShafi46 @mazdaki indeed – in due course.
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5h Yasser Latif Hamdani ‏ @theRealYLH Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I don’t understand why @mazdaki the chubby crook is allowed to deface history and facts in the manner he does.
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@mazdaki @KamranShafi46 terribly inaccurate and simplistic. #Balochistan #self #Pakistan #MohsinHamid #SherryRehman #FB
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My considered view that @mazdaki is a crook is confirmed by his ridiculous inaccurate article today.

7 Comments to “Dr Mohammad Taqi, Yasser Latif Hamdani and “Balochistan’s Ho Chi Minh Moment””

  1. A country for minorities
    By Mohsin Hamid
    Published: March 2, 2012

    The writer is the author of the novels Moth Smoke and The Reluctant Fundamentalist
    There are two ways of explaining why Pakistan was created. One is to say that the impulse for Pakistan was a Muslim-nationalist impulse. That is what we are taught in school and probably what most Pakistanis believe.
    But there is another explanation. And it is this: the drive to form Pakistan was rooted in the notion of minority rights. During the haggling that preceded independence, most Muslim leaders initially wanted constitutional safeguards protecting the rights of a Muslim minority within Hindu-majority India. Only when they decided this would not be possible did partition become their aim.
    Even then, British India did not necessarily have to become just two countries with a burning enmity: India and Pakistan. It could as easily have been split into several: perhaps a northwestern country that included not just current Pakistan but also the Indian-controlled part of Kashmir and Indian Punjab, as Jinnah himself had wanted; a northeastern country centred around a unified Bangladesh and Indian Bengal; and a variety of other countries between them and to their south.
    Each of these countries would have contained large minorities of all kinds. But each could quite possibly have been more manageable and easier to govern than either post-partition India or the united Pakistan that included both our present country and what is now Bangladesh. The whole region might have avoided wars, focused on education and social services, evolved a common market, and got on with the business of co-existing and prospering together, as much of Europe did over the same period. (Then again, they might have slaughtered one another and descended into anarchy.)
    In any case, the population of Indian Punjab is not leaping at the chance of joining Pakistan today, and the plebiscite that would allow Kashmiris to choose whether or not to do so has never been permitted to proceed. So the creation of a larger mega-Pakistan is not an option, and I do not bring up the preceding bits of twentieth-century history and imaginary what-ifs because I intend to propose it.
    Rather, I mention all this because viewing Pakistan as a country founded on the principle that minorities must be protected from the predations of majorities is both useful and morally powerful, and because that notion may contain within it a way forward for our nation as a whole. It was our neglect of this principle in the years leading up to 1971 that caused our second partition, the creation of Bangladesh. (Yes, East Pakistanis were more numerous, but in terms of power and dignity they were treated as an inferior minority.) And it is our neglect for this principle now that has many in Balochistan clamouring for a third partition by the carving out of a separate country.
    Yet an independent Balochistan would in itself solve little. Balochistan is almost half non-Baloch. What of the rights of the non-Baloch in Balochistan? And what, for that matter, of the rights of non-Pashtu speakers in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, non-Punjabi speakers in Punjab, non-Sindhi speakers in Sindh, non-Urdu speakers in Karachi? What of the rights of Pakistani Shias and Christians and Hindus and atheists?
    The problem of Balochistan’s mistreatment within the federation is related to the problem of the mistreatment of minorities in Pakistan generally, a particularly perverse and vexing problem for our country to suffer from since all Pakistanis are minorities, our largest ‘group’ — Sunni, non-Seraiki speaking Punjabis — making up little more than a third.
    But, as a nation of minorities, and a nation founded on the principle of minority rights, we could at last acknowledge that we have done enormous harm by withholding from our citizens the equality to which they are entitled, by resorting to force too readily against those who disagree with us, and by seeking for too long to centralise what more properly belongs not to the federation, nor necessarily even to the provinces, but to the cities and towns and villages, and to the conscience of each individual.
    The fact that this week’s senate elections went ahead, despite all the machinations, is a victory for Pakistani democracy. And democracy, through constitutional amendment, is moving functions to the provinces, as one would hope. Over time, more should be devolved, and more revenue should be provincial as well. (And there will come a time when, to benefit areas that continue to suffer from neglect, we must consider the reconfiguration of Pakistan from four provinces to perhaps twice as many — though vitally this should be done on a geographic rather than linguistic basis.)
    Yet devolution cannot stop with our provinces acting as mini-despots. Once the present changes have had time to settle, provinces will in turn need to pass functions along to local bodies. Faisalabad, to take one example, has the population of Uruguay, a sovereign state; there is no compelling reason why its governance should be coordinated through Lahore.
    The federation’s center will of course remain important. We live in a rough neighbourhood, so we need a military to deter foreign threats. We share the same river systems, so we need jointly to plan reservoirs, irrigation, and dams. We sell certain products and services throughout Pakistan, so we need compatible regulations. And so on.
    But overall the role of the centre will have to shift from trying to tell each of us what to do, from micro-managing our regions and our lives, to defending us from the predations of those more powerful than us. It must protect angry Baloch students in Quetta, and Urdu-speaking businessmen in Peshawar, and Pashtun bus drivers in Karachi, and, yes, Punjabi schoolteachers in Balochistan. It must stand for our right not to be shot without trial, held without notification, or tortured under any circumstances.
    As the day-to-day administration of our country flows out of Islamabad, the role and professionalism of our federal court system, and our supreme court in particular, must increase, not to persecute us for imagined thought-crimes but to protect us from each other and from the state. And for internal security we will need to build an apparatus that functions within the purview of the courts, not outside it.
    We are each a minority of one. The crisis in Balochistan is therefore a crisis for all Pakistanis. We must address it together, or we risk surrendering the idea of Pakistan to tyranny, an unjust state where every citizen is denied their potential and must squirm as an illusion in someone else’s dream.
    Published in The Express Tribune, March 3rd, 2012.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/344536/a-country-for-minorities/

  2. Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46
    MUST read: #Balochistan ’s Ho Chi Minh moment http://bit.ly/wBnpCe by the brilliant Dr. Mohammad Taqi, may his tribe increase.

    Kamran Shafi ‏ @KamranShafi46
    @mazdaki Bhai Wah, Taqi. Your finest. In any case, what did Sherry expect to get from Boehner? Only telling the world how rattled GHQ is!

  3. LOL. Raza Rumi sahib has now edited YLH’s piece and taken our harsh comments.

    pakteahouse ‏ @paktea
    @aliarqam There no such references – please check the post. The unedited version is no longer there @mazdaki @marvisirmed

  4. Fair analysis by Dr Taqi, Balochistan and Baloch diaspora’s support for US congressional hearing is symbolic and taking it lightly or calling it a stunt is not going to help either the Baloch or Pakistan, I’m not surprised why he’s being criticized by Yasser Latif Hamdani.

  5. Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed Much historiography argues as @TheRealYLH. Mostly @mazdaki & @mohsin_hamid agree. Prob: oped writing is polemical.
    23h Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @RazaRumi It is ahistorical to argue that any state is inherently abusive as a function of its creation. Abuse is a governance preference
    23h Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed &the struggle for rights protections is better served by avoiding making it irreconcilable with the state.& it shouldn’t be
    In reply to Marvi Sirmed
    15 Mar Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed But @mohsin_hamid’s argument re Pakistan founded on the “basis of minority rights” is compelling even if u think it backfired
    15 Mar Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed Completely agree with @mazdaki that “State sovereignty is not independent of the broader principles of international law”
    In reply to Marvi Sirmed
    15 Mar Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @marvisirmed Such as: …”a distraction from real issues of Pakistan i.e. systematic denial of fundamental rights” @Razarumi @mazdaki
    In reply to Marvi Sirmed
    15 Mar Ali Dayan Hasan ‏ @AliDayan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Razarumi With due respect to @mazdaki and while I may not agree with @theRealYLH’s narrative technique🙂 ,he raises some valid points

  6. Dr. Taqi has made a realistic and fair analysis of balochistan and Yasser Latif hamani has only distorted the facts. its ridiculous to say that half of Balochistan population is non-baloch. Presence of millions of Afghan emigrants can’t be ignored. Baloch are in absolute majority excluding Pashtun belt… People who dilute the intensity of Balochistan issue by using senseless arguments such as Non-baloch population and Sardars responsible for everything are not doing goo to anyone. They are just in a state of denial or playing at the hands of those who have brought Balochistan on a verge of an epic disaster

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