MWM must not act as a Shia version of Difa-e-Pakistan Council

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Related post: A critical analysis of the MWM resolution at the Karachi Shia rally

While we welcome the increasing wave of awareness amongst Pakistan’s Shia Muslims in response to their ongoing genocide by Jihadi-sectarian terrorists (ASWJ-SSP, Taliban), it is important to offer some advice to the organizers of the Quran-o-AhleBait Conference (Karachi, 25 March 2012) particularly the leaders of Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM).

We are worried that some of the discourse being used by at least some Shia speakers and religious scholars seems to be directly inspired from the official policy of Pakistan army and intelligence agencies and is not very different from the Xenophobic and conspiracy theory discourse of the ISI-sponsored Difa-e-Pakistan Conference.

Here are some extracts from the speeches at the conference reported in Pakistani media:

The News

‘US, Israel threat to Pakistan’

Fasahat Mohiuddin

Monday, March 26, 2012

Karachi – The Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen has said that the US and Israel are a threat to Pakistan. The MWM also condemned all kinds of sectarianism, extremism and terrorism in the country.

The MWM also urged sectarian harmony and unity and asked the people to join the MWM for preserving the integrity of the country.

These were the highlights of the Quran Wa Ahle Bait Conference held under the aegis of the MWM at Nishtar Park here on Sunday. Through a resolution, the MWM paid rich tributes to all those who gave sacrifices for the defence of the country.

Allama Raja Nasir Abbas Jafri, secretary-general of the MWM, said that Shias had given a clear message to the relevant quarters that Pakistan could not become a den of US imperialism.

He said they would vote for only those candidates who rejected the US agenda. “We want unity among Muslims and invite all the Muslims to join hands with us, and we join hands with each other,” he said.

The MWM chief said that the children of the founders of Pakistan had gathered at the Nishtar Park to reject the killing of Shias at the behest of foreign masters.

He said that the country’s stability was linked with saying no to the US agenda.

The MWM chief said that US imperialism wanted civil wars and instability in all the Muslim countries.

Allama Jafri said, “We are sure Pakistan will prosper without the United States.”

Sabil Hussain Mazahari from the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa chapter said that the US stooges and terrorists posed a serious threat to the country’s stability and unity.


Business Recorder

MWM urges government not to reopen Nato supply routes
MARCH 26, 2012

Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen (MWM) on Sunday urged the government to end foreign interference in domestic affairs of the country and not to reopen Nato supply route, Aaj News reported on Sunday.

General Secretary Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen, Allama Nasir Abbas, while addressing participants of ‘Quran and Ahl-e-Bait Conference’ at Nishtar Park, said that Pakistan was on the verge of collapse due to flawed policies of Pakistan People’s Party, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

He further said that the US ambassador Cameron Munter had no right to meddle with Pakistani policies, the channel added.

Speakers said that people of the country were fed up with the corrupt politicians.



People urged to unite against sectarianism
Our Staff Reporter
Metropolitan > Karachi
26th March, 2012

KARACHI, March 25: Demanding concrete steps to bring an end to the killing of Shias in different cities, Majlis-i-Wahdat-i-Muslimeen leaders on Sunday declared that they would foil foreign conspiracies aimed at fomenting unrest in the country.

Opposing the restoration of supplies to the US-led Nato forces in Afghanistan, they said the imperialist forces wanted civil wars in all Muslim countries, let alone Pakistan, to exploit their resources.

“The World Bank and other financial institutions are also pursuing the US agenda to enslave the people of developing countries across the world through loans and borrowings,” they said.

Pakistan could prosper and achieve political, social and economic stability if the people rejected those following the US agenda, said the MWM leaders.

Other MWM leaders said that conspiracies were being hatched not only against Palestine or Afghanistan but also against Pakistan and other Muslim countries. They said that the US, the UK and Israel had been supporting extremism in developing countries to incite unrest there and occupy their oil resources. They said sectarian killings in Pakistan were part of an international conspiracy.

The US stooges spreading terror in the country posed serious threat to Pakistan’s unity, they said.

Looking at the resolutions passed by the 25 March conference, at least some points in the resolutions and some messages conveyed to Pakistani Shias are not much different from the ISI-backed anti-Shia Difa-e-Pakistan Conference.

Out of the 16 points of the resolution passed by the conference, at least 8 seem to be directly taken from a a Difa-e-Pakistan Conference or ISPR press release with minor edits or tweaking:

قرار دار کا مکمل متن یہ ہے


۔ پیروان قرآن و اہلبیت کا یہ شاندار اجتماع تحریک پاکستان سے لیکر دفاع پاکستان تک دی گئی تمام قربانیوں کو خراج تحسین پیش کرتے ہوئے وطن کی سلامتی کے لیے ہر قربانی دینے کا عہد کرتا ہے۔


۔ قرآن و اہلبیت کانفرنس کا یہ عظیم الشان اجتماع مکتب قرآن و اہلبیت کے تمام پیروکاروں کو اتحاد کی دعوت دیتے ہوئے ہر اس عمل کی مذمت کرتا ہے جو مومنین کے درمیان افتراق کا سبب بنتے ہیں۔

۔ قرآ ن و اہلبیت کے پروانوں کا یہ عظیم الشان اجتماع مسلمانوں کے تمام مکاتب فکر کو عملی وحدت کی دعوت دیتا ہے، اسلام دشمن تفرقہ پرست تکفیری گروپوں کی مذمت کرتے ہوئے تمام مسلمان بھائیوں کو ان کے خلاف اتحاد کر کے ملکی سلامتی کو یقینی بنانے کی دعوت دتیا ہے۔

۔ ہم پاکستان میں فرقہ واریت، دہشت گردی اور عوامی استحصال میں ملوث عالمی دہشت گرد امریکا، اسرائیل اور ان کے حواریوں کے نفوذ کو پاکستان کی سلامتی کیلے براہ راست خطرہ تصور کرتے ہوئے امریکی عزائم کے خلاف کارروائی کا مطالبہ کرتے ہیں۔

۔ ہم عالمی اسلامی بیداری کی تحریکوں بالخصوص فلسطین، یمن، بحرین، تیونس، لیبیا کے عوام اور شام میں امریکا اور اسرائیل کی ایما پر ہونے والی دہشت گردی کی مذمت کرتے ہیں اور شام میں جمہوری عمل اور اصلاحات کی حمایت کا اعلان کرتے ہیں۔

۔ اجتماع میں شریک لاکھوں شیعیان حیدر کرار پاکستان میں ڈرون حملوں اور نیٹو سپلائی کی مذمت کرتے ہوئے افغانستان میں قرآن جلانے اور بے گناہ لوگوں کا خون بہانے کے امریکی اقدام کی شدید مذمت کرتے ہوئے افغانستان سے امریکی انخلا کا مطالبہ کرتے ہیں۔

۔ یہ عظیم الشان اجتماع جمہوری اسلامی پاکستان میں مغربی ثقافت کو پھیلانے کی شدید مذمت کرتے ہوئے میڈیا کو اسلامی و پاکستانی ثقافت کی ترویج کی تلقین کرتا ہے۔

۔ وطن عزیز میں غربت مہنگائی اور معاشی بدحالی کو حکومتی بدانتظامی اور عالمی اداروں کے متعصبانہ رویہ اور کرپشن کا براہ راست نتیجہ قرار دیتے ہوئے مجلس وحدت ان مسائل کو حل کرنے کے لیے ملکی سطح پر بھرپور کردار ادا کرنے کا عہد کرتی ہے۔

We suggest that MWM must refrain from recycling and reinforcing the Difa-e-Pakistan’s discourse on NATO supplies, US-Israel conspiracy in Shia genocide etc. Why can’t they plainly hold the Saudi funded, ISI supported Jihadi-Deobandis responsible for Shia genocide in Pakistan?

They must not forget that the US’s actions, of course shaped by its own priorities, served to save Shias of Afghanistan from Taliban and Shias of Iraq from Saddam Hussain. Yes, US’s role on Iran, Israel and Bahrain is based on hypocrisy yet politics is the art of possibilities. Nobody is killing Shias in the USA, UK or India, they are being killed in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain by Jihadi-Deobandis and Jihadi-Salafis.

By its very nature the US is neither pro-Shia nor anti-Shia. The US is only pro its own commercial and strategic interests. In contrast, Saudi Salafis and Jihadi-Doebandis are anti-Shia by their very design and ideology.

This fact that “US will do anything for its own interest” is being very cleverly used not only by Israelis but also Saudis. Convergence of interest is important in the currently uni-polar world. Saudi-Ikhwan lobby is spending millions of dollars to influence the US strategy and foreign policy. Same could be done from the opposite camp. Idealism is all good, pragmatism demands that Shia genocide and all genocides must come to an end. As followers of Hussain, Shias must support all persecuted communities including Sunnis, Christians, Jews and Hindus. We must not be a part of any form of Xenophobia, anti-Semitism or racist or sectarian discourses.

We must not ignore the fact that the current, anti-Iran fever is, in the main, manufactured by Saudis and other tiny Sheikhdoms of the Persian Gulf. Saudis own the capital and the lobbyists, US is serving as a willing mercenary not only for Saudis but also for Israel. US is being well paid!

We must not under-estimate the political influence of Saudis. They were responsible for the 9/11 attack but were able to quickly retract their other ‘assets’ from the US immediately after 9/11. See what Salafis and Ikhwans have recently gained in Egypt and Libya. Now they are about to take over Syria. Here are some links to show the growing influence of the Saudi-Ikhwan lobby:

Of course, Shias have to rely on their own shoulders to defend themselves. This self-defence also includes lobbying in the media and also in power centres of the world.

Here is a report of the conference from Iranian news agency IRNA. We could have easily replaced Raja Abbas Jafri’s name with Maulan Samiul Haq without much change in the content.

Let’s hope that MWM leaders will review their Xenophobic and DPC style discourse. Xenophobia comes cheap. It is expected of the DPC (whose heroes, Taliban, are being killed by the US, hence their stance on NATO supplies), not by MWM. Unless MWM wants Taliban to take over Kabul to enable more massacres in Bamiyan and Mazar, is that what they want?

On a closing note, religious scholars are respectable and may be consulted in religious matters. However, any suggestion of scholastic hierarchy of religious scholars in political affairs is problematic. Pakistan’s Shias have already suffered a lot because of such foreign concepts and agendas.

At the same time we acknowledge that “there are no worthwhile secular leaders.” Secular parties and leaders have failed to protect Shias and other persecuted communities in the country. Yet, this does not mean we are to uncritically accept the political hierarchy of religious scholars.

MWM must steer clear of the MMA and DPC style Xenophobia and conspiracy theories. Focus on the ASWJ-SSP (Jihadi-Deobandis) and those financing them (Saudi Arabia) and those supporting and protecting the killers (Pakistan army). Do not confuse the already confused and most target killed community, please!

17 Comments to “MWM must not act as a Shia version of Difa-e-Pakistan Council”

  1. Much needed post. I was very pleased to see a very large rally of Shias in Karachi on 25 March. However, at least some of the speeches at the conference referred to conspiracy theories and US imperialist role in Shia genocide. It sounded like an Ansar Abbasi version of Shia community.

    Shias cannot afford to be obfuscated by ISI or IRI-inspired religious scholars. Those deflecting their attention from their main enemy (target killers of ASWJ-SSP and institutions helping the target killers ie. ISI, Judiciary) are not helping Shias.

    Shias need to make union with those who are being killed by the Taliban and ASWJ-SSP. This includes Sunni Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians as well as Americans and Jews.

  2. Except Raja Abbas Jafri and Ameen Shaheedi, other scholars were good and to the point. Raja and Shaheedi have spent a lot of time in Rawalpindi if you know what I mean 🙂

  3. Shias Yahoodi Sabai Hain. Laibaah Yahoodi Agent Hai.

    Kafir Shia, Kafir Yahoodi

  4. Pakistani Shias raised the slogan “Amreeka Murdabad” three decades ago when ISI was sitting in CIA’s lap. The author may not agree, but it is MWM’s view – as it has been of Shia leadership since the time of Shaheed Arif Hussaini and it is supported by documented facts – that US-Israeli nexus is behind the Saudi-Taliban-ASS/LeJ devils.

  5. Pakistani Shias also used the slogan Murdabad Roos, three decades ago.

    Times change in international relations. Today, Russia is a key obstruction in the Saudi-US designs of war on Iran. Similarly, dozens of US and NATO soldiers are being killed by the same Taliban who also attack and kill Shias in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Please don’t treat religious scholars once upon a time policy as Quran and Hadith.

  6. How can you say a word against Ulama-e-Karam? Do you know better than Rahbar?

    Murdah Bad Zidd-e-Inqalab

    Murdah Bad Dushman-e-Wialyat-e-Faqih.

  7. MWM is voice of shia Muslims, we agreed with MWM leaderships stance on ongoing situation.All Resolutions were presented at the conference was voice of Nation.

  8. From JPJ, a Pakistani open FB page:


    Syed Salman Mohiuddin

    MWM must not act as a Shia version of Difa-e-Pakistan Council
    While we welcome the increasing wave of awareness amongst Pakistan’s Shia Muslims in response to their ongoing genocide by Jihadi-sectarian terrorists (ASWJ-SSP, Taliban), it is important to …
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    You, Ali Abbas Taj and Maryam Sadiq like this.

    Ali Abbas Taj I understand they want to reach out to all Pakistanis.
    23 hours ago · Like · 1

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin but wasn’t this conference meant to address ISI stooges??
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    Sabah Hasan If anti-Americanism is being considered ISI’s agenda, the writer should read up a bit on history. Pakistani Shia leadership was raising ‘Amreeka Murdabaad’ slogans three decades ago when Zia’s ISI was sitting in CIA’s lap. If the reference was to something else, I must have missed it.
    23 hours ago · Like · 2

    Zaib Zaidi Please please please wait for the videos of speakers to be uploaded on web.
    21 hours ago · Like · 2

    Huma Hasan It has condemned USA, which is right! How does that make it like DPC!!! USA, the so called super power is behind most of the ills in the world, of course they use local goons for that purpose, and the local goons are produced because of funding by the lackies of USA!!! But the Master Mind is USA that current past has shown time and again!!!
    21 hours ago · Like · 2

    Zaib Zaidi Pakistani Agency groups ko torti hay or woh Qaumain tor’tay hain.
    21 hours ago · Like · 3

    Zaib Zaidi Aur bauhat si jagah Generals unkay tool bhi ban jatay hain.
    21 hours ago · Like · 3

    Jaafer Tayyar Naqvi ‎Zaib Why it is taking so long to upload the videos? :S
    21 hours ago · Like

    Zaib Zaidi Dunno brother. Let me ask wait.
    21 hours ago · Like

    Maryam Sadiq I don’t think MWM is like DPC in essentials at all.
    19 hours ago via mobile · Like · 3

    Zaib Zaidi ‎Jaafer bhai Inshallah kal tak.
    19 hours ago · Like · 3

    Durre-Shahwar Jafri The programme can be watched on Shiite
    14 hours ago · Like · 2
    Irfan Qadri Resolutions in Pakistan Blogzine’s post have been taken from the MWM website. Post also cites news item reported by Islamic Republic News Agency of Iran.
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    Sabah Hasan ‎Irfan Qadri, MWM’s resolutions are not written by a single person, but are thrashed out after thorough discussions within the MWM central cabinet. Anti-imperialism – imperialism that founded terrorism in much of the Muslim world including Pakistan – is a cornerstone of MWM’s policy as it has always been of Pakistani Shia politics since the days of Shaheed Arif Hussaini (ra). If that makes MWM/Shias “similar” in the blogger’s eyes to ISI and terrorists under its umbrella, well firstly, for us it is something permanent not an on-again, off-again bargaining chip it is for CIA-created and ISI-controlled ASS/LeJ and its DPC cohorts, and secondly just like Husain (a.s) and his killers both offered namaaz, we have many other phenomena common with our local killers: we believe in One God, the same Prophet (pbuh), the same Book, we offer namaz and we fast. Should we also leave all this just to be different from DPC? Wouldn’t that be a case of cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face?
    5 hours ago · Like · 1

    Misam Raza Do not miss lead the millat please …. stop such posts ….
    4 hours ago · Like · 2

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin what I exactly meant is; Pakistani shias do not need to have IRI as well as ISI stooges .. they must have their own identity, simple as that !!
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    Misam Raza we do need atleast 10 seats in National Assembly anyhow … from any plat form … please be united … if there is anything with MWM then we can resolve issues else then to start criticizing … we have to stop suporting all political parties like MQM PPP and oters …
    4 hours ago · Like · 1

    Huma Hasan Those who do not want the Shia identity to flourish are criticising this move, which showed the numerical strength of Shias in Pakistan, on Sunday 25th March 2012! InshAllah despite such negative propaganda The Truth will flourish, and will Unite all!
    4 hours ago · Like · 1

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin I rest my case here..
    4 hours ago · Like

    Misam Raza Inshallah ! and we have to spread this thought … otherwise we are already living on the edge … this movement will move in all cities of Pakistan … and the GATHERING at MINAR E PAKISTAN in July will change the political face of Pakistani Shiite … INSHALLH !
    4 hours ago · Like · 2

    Sabah Hasan ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin, Pakistani Shias are as much at peril from US-Israeli nexus in this region as is IRI or non-Shia Pakistanis. If we oppose that nexus, it does not mean that we are toeing the line of IRI or ISI.

    For the record, I am a member of central cabinet of MWM, and can say on its behalf that we are very much Pakistanis first, much more than the self-styled DPC.
    3 hours ago · Like · 5

    Heckler Plus ‎Misam Raza @ if you want to bring changes in pakistan , fight for none religious party elections on secular grounds. Choose people on Merit from any group. Wise people are every where in pakistan in every sect/group, we just have to make way out for them . and that could be possible only and only if we leave our religious differences at our homes.
    3 hours ago · Like · 2
    Irfan Qadri Anti-imperialism is a permanent corner stone of Iran’s or Pakistani Shia’s discourse? Did not we use to hear the chants of Down with US, Down with Russia in Iranian and Pakistani Shias rallies? Has Russia not killed and is still killing enough Muslims in Chechnya and elsewhere to warrant the “Down With” any more? Oh, why all of a sudden this warmth in relationship between revolutionary Iran and imperialist Russia? Today Russia is a major force in the way of US imperialist designs against Syria and Iran! Did we read any single word in MWM’s resolution on Russia and its crimes against Muslims and humanity? Denial is a river….
    2 hours ago · Like
    Irfan Qadri ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin You don’t need to rest your case. If you and other educated Shias will not offer constructive criticism and advice to Shia leaders, who will? Shia leadership must not be exonerated from the fact that their misleading policies, love affair with ISI-backed mullahs in MMA, and now recycling of ISI-esque discourse on NATO supplies, have enabled Shia genocide in the past and will continue to do so.
    about an hour ago · Like

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin In my honest opinion; Jawad Naqvi (an IRI stooge) & Abdul Khaliq Hazara (an ISI stooge) are no saviours of Pakistani shias *period*
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    Ali Zaidi Shia Islam is a Bain of humanity.
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    Misam Raza aap Altaf Hussain Walay shia hain ya Imam Hussain walay ??
    about an hour ago · Like · 2

    Ali Zaidi I believe in neither, though if I had to pick one, I’d choose altaf. At least he possesses political acumen
    about an hour ago via mobile · Like
    Irfan Qadri There are three types: secular, atheist and offender. At least one person on this thread belongs to the last category.
    about an hour ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan ‎^ Interesting choice: between Imam Husain a.s and Altaf Hussain – that too because the latter supposedly possesses political acumen 🙂
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    Sabah Hasan ‎Irfan Qadri, MWM’s position on Chechnya or other areas where Russian hegemony is at work is not dissimilar to its position against US/Israeli imperialism. As I explained already, unlike your view, and that of the blogger, MWM does not see opposing imperialism as toeing IRI or ISI line.

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin, neither Hujjetul Islam Syed Jawad Naqvi nor Mr. Abdul Khaliq Hazara are in any way linked to Majlis-e Wahdat-e Muslimeen (MWM).
    about an hour ago · Like · 2

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin I know that Sabah.. I was only trying to get my point across that why I am/was advising MWM to keep a firm anti-persecution (anti-terrorism) stand against the very culprits instead of diluting it through involving those who may or may not be involved indirectly..
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    Sabah Hasan MWM is not merely a pressure group to repel anti-Shia terrorism in Pakistan. The two cornerstones of MWM’s policy – as declared in irs ‘dastoor’ are adherence to the concept of Vilayat-e Faqih and following the way of Shaheed Husaini (ra), whose quote “Pakistan banaya thaa, Pakistan bachaen gey” is repeated by MWM in all its major public meetings. Interestingly, this quote was recently plagiarized by PTI, a group that eulogizes Bin Laden and cohabits with ASS.
    about an hour ago · Like · 1
    Irfan Qadri ‎Sabah Hasan Please share with me a link or evidence if any speaker at the conference or any point in the MWM resolution referred to or condemned Russian imperialism. Thanks
    about an hour ago · Like

    Sabah Hasan Why?
    about an hour ago · Like
    Irfan Qadri What do you say Ali Abbas Taj about the concept of Vilayat-e-Faqih? Would this course really help Pakistan’s Shias?
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    Syed Salman Mohiuddin ‎Sabah: wilayat e faqih is a concept which is not widely followed/accepted by majority of shias everywhere.. I was expecting a alot from this conference which IMHO is a disapointment.. Contrary to Gandhi ji’s statement, here Pakistani shias desperately need an eye for an eye
    about an hour ago · Like

    Ali Abbas Taj Vilayat -e-Faqih is age old concept refined by Imam Khomeni. What is means the political leadership of the Shia is united in one leader.

    Alll of our Maraja agree.

    To what extent is the power of the leader depends on the leader’s popularity.
    about an hour ago · Like

    Ali Abbas Taj Any Shia that follows any Merja believes in some version of Villayat e Faqih.
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    Sabah Hasan ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin, I did not comment on VF being a popular concept, but stated the fact that it is a cornerstone of MWM’s policy as per its ‘dastoor’. MWM believes in following the policy adopted by Shia Imams a.s from 11 AH to date, that does not encourage the act you are advocating.
    about an hour ago · Like

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin ‎Sabah: are enemies of Pakistani shias adhering to their holy roots??
    59 minutes ago · Like

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin ‎Taj: sorry but Wilayat-e-Faqih is a much different concept than just follwoing any Mujtahid-e-alam
    58 minutes ago · Like · 1
    Irfan Qadri ‎Ali Abbas Taj VF gives political ascendancy to Shia scholars. Taqleed is only in Shariat affairs. Let’s not confuse the two.
    58 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin exactly what I meant ^^^^
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    Ali Abbas Taj All I am saying to the best of my understanding all Maraja believe in a United Shia Political leadership with some conditions. Chief among them is the popularity of the the VF.
    56 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin, enemies of Pakistani Shias are adhering to their roots. We Pakistani Shias are adhering to ours as seen in the suunah of our Imams a.s over the past millennium and a half. Reaction to Yazidiat is Husainiat, not mimicking Yazidiat.
    55 minutes ago · Like

    Ali Abbas Taj In simple terms Imam Khomeni was truly VF.
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    Irfan Qadri ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin The problem starts when people start presenting and enforcing a monolith view of Islam or Shia Islam. There are several varieties in Islam and also within Shia Islam, including within Twelvers, which must be accepted and respected. Monolithism leads to labelling and othering.
    54 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Syed Salman Mohiuddin ‎Sabah: anyway, if MWM believes that bringing VF concept back to table would help Pakistani shia muslims, then I’d say best of luck but sorry couldn’t agree at all
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    Ali Abbas Taj VF has not much to do with Taqleed. You can be in Taqleed of one Marja and Sabah a different Marja. The political leadership will come from VF.
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    Irfan Qadri ‎Ali Abbas Taj The notion of VF is highly controversial not only in Iran but also in Iraq, Pakistan and other countries. Political ascendancy of religious scholars is not widely accepted.
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    Ali Abbas Taj ‎Irfan Qadri I am not aware of any controversy about it. I just follow my Marja Taqleed. I am not qualified to comment on theological issues. Ask Sistani Sb.
    43 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan ‎Syed Salman Mohiuddin, to have that view is entirely your prerogative. As I said, VF is among cornerstones of MWM policy since its inception in 2008 as per its ‘dastoor’ which is a public document. That perhaps is MWM’s prerogative, and of those who choose to follow VF.

    I am not a religious scholar, hence cannot conduct a religious debate on the concept of VF. However, even I know that all maraje agree with the concept of VF. The difference of opinion is on whether VF is Vilayat-e Mutlaqa or not.
    42 minutes ago · Like · 1
    Irfan Qadri ‎Ali Abbas Taj Many examples come to mind. Here is one example of criticism from a Pakistani Shia:

    Iran: overthrow the fundamentalist cabal – by Ali Abbas Inayatullah | LUBP
    After watching the hundreds of thousands of protesters in Iran being dismissed as Westernized toffs from Northern Tehran by Islamist groups and self-declared leftists, one could not initially help wondering at the number of elites in Iran. If one is to take the Islamist critique, than Iran must be a…
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    Irfan Qadri Quite a few Ayatollahs are cited here who opposed VF or openly disobeyed the Iranian VF Imam Khomeini:

    Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Muhammad · Fatimah · andThe Twelve Imams:Ali · Hasan · Husaynal-Sajjad · al-Baqir · al-Sadiqal-Kadhim · al-Rida · al-Taqial-Naqi · al-Askari · al-Mahdi
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    Ali Abbas Taj ‎Irfan Qadri in religious matters it is very simple for a Shia in Taqleed. They ask the Marja. Not Wikipedia or blogs.
    31 minutes ago · Like

    Sabah Hasan Besides the fact that the editable by public Wikipedia is hardly credible as a source of information, it is interesting that late Grand Ayatullah Muntaziri, who is quoted as an opponent of VF, is actually the author of a detailed book favouring the very concept of Vilayat-e Mutlaqa that Imam Khomeini (ra), among others, espoused.

    The premise that there are opponents to VF in Iran or that Ali Abbas Inayatullah has an opinion that does not favour the concept of VF, does not affect the fact that VF is a cornerstone of MWM’s policy as per its ‘dastoor’.
    29 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan The is no Marja-e Taqlid who opposes VF. There are differences of opinion on whether it entails Vilayat-e Mutlaqa or not.
    28 minutes ago · Like

    Ali Abbas Taj Just like if you suspected you had a serious health issue you would go see a doctor not wikipedia or a blog.
    27 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Misam Raza Wilayat-e-Faqih is a practice to live under Imam … unless we all united under one with this concept there is not much hope for the ZAHOR of HUJJAT a.j. else then the GOD’s WILL …. though the concept of Wilayat-e-Faqih is just to prepare all MOMINEEN for the ZAHORE of Imam e Asr a.j. How we will going to live under the ruler ship of one IMAM … with such strict rules … and Mr. Irfan Qadri there is no Ayatollah who opposed this Wilayat-e-Faqih … they do not want to have such big a responsibility … simple is that it is only for chosen one … Can please any one describe the STATUS of a FATWA & HUKUM from any Ayatollah ??
    24 minutes ago · Like · 1
    Irfan Qadri ‎Sabah Hasan We are not contesting “the fact that VF is a cornerstone of MWM’s policy as per its ‘dastoor’.” We are criticizing the very notion of VF.
    21 minutes ago · Like

    Misam Raza You are criticizing something what you don’t know a thing about ! how can you criticize something what you do not have knowledge of ??
    19 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Sabah Hasan That, Irfan Qadri, is your prerogative, and being a non-scholar exceeds the limits of my religious knowledge. However, this thread is about MWM not VF.
    19 minutes ago · Like

    Sabah Hasan Question (to HE Grand Ayatullah Sistani HA): What is Wilayat Al-Faqih (Guardianship of the Jurist)? And what is its origin and the its basis from the Holy Qur’an and from AhlulBayt (as) ?

    Answer: What is fixed in the opinion of H. E the Sayyid (Long May he Live) is that in accordance to the jurisprudential reasonings; the rule of the Jurist (who holds the necessary conditions that are accepted by the majority of the general people) has authority in the areas that are associated with administering a society.
    18 minutes ago · Like

    Misam Raza ‎Ali Zaidi you should be ashamed of what you have written …
    17 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Misam Raza Lanat Ullah Alaih !
    16 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Ali Zaidi So these are the progressive Pakistani voices? Lol
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    Sabah Hasan ‎Irfan Qadri, I hope your “we” didn’t include the maker of the abusive remark above. Anyway, let the follower of the way of Umayyads do what he excels at. They abused Ali a.s for 90 years. He abuses a son of Ali (a.s).
    15 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Misam Raza Jinke chehray per Islam nahi aya unke dil ne kia khaakh aye ga !
    15 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Ali Zaidi Well, I pretty much used to be a Shia myself, being born into a Shia faith by accident of birth. In no way I’m an ummayad. I love to see Shias killing sunnis and vice versa for each others religious beliefs. You loonies are a great source of amusement for me.
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    Misam Raza Ali a.s. ko mantay hain – Ali a.s. ki nahi mantay ! Karte raho Zaidi moo se Ali Ali … apne aap ko shia kehne me aur Ali ka Shia bannay me bara farq hai !
    12 minutes ago · Like · 1

    Misam Raza Shias are not killing suniis .. nor the suniis are killing Shiass .. this is SAUDI though spreading all over the world … SAUDI funded organizations working this agenda …
    10 minutes ago · Like · 2

    Irfan Qadri: Coming back to the topic, we hope MWM leaders will consider sincere criticism and think twice before issuing meaningless statements on stopping NATO supplies (while failing to condemn the ISI-Taliban dialogue) and that in addition to condemning US imperialism, they will also condemn Russian imperialism to show they are not selective moral and not Iranian puppets. (peace be upon the one who follows true guidance)

  9. Owners of this blog take themselves too seriously.
    Believe it or not there are folks out there who wouldn’t agree with the philosophy of this blog and they arent DPC, SSP, LeJ or ISI. So chill out folks.

    If you think that incompetent govt of PPP is not to be blamed for our killings and all the blames lies on ISI. Well that is just not true. We shias wish Kufi Zardari had made only fraction of the effort for saving shias as he did for Husain Haqqni. He stood up against Kiyanai, Pasha and CJ but when it comes to us shias hardly has he ever bothered.

    So thanks but no thanks. We shias are more than happy with MWM especially Allama Hassan Zafar Naqvi.

  10. @Hassan

    I agree with you. It’s not ISI but Zardari who is killing Shias. Zardari also killed his wife. Zardari also killed Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti. He is the real terrorist.

    I commend MNA Afzal Najeem Dogar of MWM who boldly condemend Zardari’s role in Shia genocide in Pakistan.

  11. Thousands Rally In Pakistan Against Cooperation With NATO
    PTI [ Updated 28 Mar 2012, 10:59:41 ]


    Islamabad, Mar 28: Thousands of members of extremist groups rallied near parliament on Tuesday as leaders of the right-wing Defa-e-Pakistan Council, including Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, warned the government against reopening routes for transporting supplies to US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

    Saeed, the founder of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba, told a rally held at a ground a short distance from parliament that the Pakistani people will never allow the resumption of NATO supplies and there would be protests across the country If the supply routes are reopened, “American agents will again sneak into Pakistan and start killing innocent citizens”, he claimed.

    “Pakistani leaders, including army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, should step down if they think they cannot safeguard national interests,” he said as protesters shouted slogans in support of jihad.

    Earlier in the day, thousands of supporters of the Defa-e-Pakistan Council marched to the ground from Aabpara and other parts of Islamabad.

    Many of them carried the black-and-white flags of the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, a front for the LeT.

    The protesters shouted “Down with the America-India- Israel nexus,” “Death to America” and “American subjugation is unacceptable”.

    Some of them carried banners and placards that denounced the government’s ties with the US and featured slogans like “Terrorists, the routes are closed for you”.

    Others who addressed the rally included Defa-e-Pakistan Council chairman Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, described as the “father of the Taliban”, former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Hamid Gul and Pakistan Muslim League-Zia leader Ejaz-ul-Haq.

    “We want to take Pakistan out of the so-called war on terror, which is directed against Muslims,” said Sami-ul-Haq.

    He warned the government of “serious consequences” if it reopens the NATO supply routes to appease the US.

    The protest was organised by the Defa-e-Pakistan Council and the Jamaat-e-Islami to pressure the government not to reopen the supply routes which were closed after a cross-border NATO air strike killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November. A joint session of parliament is set to debate recommendations for revamping Pakistan-US relations.

    The parliamentary review is expected to pave the way for Pakistan to reopen the NATO supply routes after imposing a tax on container trucks and oil tankers.

    Both Hafiz Saeed and Ahmed Ludhianvi, the head of the Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ), participated in the rally despite an order reportedly issued by the city administration to bar them from entering Islamabad.

    The ASWJ is considered a front for the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba, which has been linked to several recent sectarian attacks.

    While Saeed was allowed to address the gathering, police sought to prevent Ludhianvi from speaking.

    He then left the venue. Though police tried to stop him on a busy road linking Islamabad and Rawalpindi, Ludhianvi kept moving with his four-vehicle motorcade.

    Pakistan had put Saeed under house arrest after the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which he was accused of masterminding.

    He was freed after less than six months on the orders of the Lahore High Court.

    Saeed cobbled together the Defa-e-Pakistan Council, which includes over 40 hardline and extremist groups.

    The coalition has organised large rallies and protests across Pakistan that were mainly directed against the US and India.

  12. @Fasi Malik

    4 years in the govt, over a thousand shias slaughtered..and what do Zardari fanboys have to show for it. Yes you guessed it , a 4 minute youtube video…BRAVO!

    Well you didnt answer my Husain Haqqani point did you? Compare the efforts made by Zardari to save that jamati Husain Haqqani with what he has done for the oppresed shias of this nation. That kufi never bothered for shia persecution in Pakistan. And what could a man practicing the siyasat of Muawiya (la) do for us shias.

    PPP has shia blood on its hand, in the same way ISI, SC and those terrorist organizations have.

  13. MWM following Hizbullah, not ISI or any agency, what MWM says is voice of all true shia, when I was listening to Jafri and Hassan Zafer Naqvi, I felt like I am listening my worlds from them, I dont care who else says that, but what WE believe and what we want, they said exactly what we want, I dont know Difa-e-Pakistan or ISI but I Know who I am and what I should do, and who else have objection with what they said in that gathering, they should think about their believes, better to die instead of living like that

  14. MWM k qaideen se guzarish hai k MWM k Lahore k jalsy k liy mwm k Flages ka wafir intazam kren qk jalsy ka pata Flages ki gathering se chalta hai ye jalsy ki shan ko Dobaala krty hain lets see vthe example of PTI jalsa At Minar-e-pakistan.

  15. Meri tmam Shia news cell se aur Khas taor py MWM se guzarish hai k Wahadat news paper ki tarha jald se jald Wahdat Tv ka bhi baqaida agaz kren jesy baki news channel hain Jio, Ary , Samma, wagaira
    ye hamari milat k liy boht zrori hai aur Faiada mand bhi hoga aur Shiit ki awaz buland hogi. Maola jald se jald apko tofeeq dy esko karny ki. jis din ye Broadcasting channel ka agaz hogya us din hmari Milat ka ek Sunehra Daor Shuru hoga Inshallhah.

  16. if mwm is really interested in shias of pakistan then it should work in establishing a ‘shia bank’ with its branches all over pakistan. shias may invest their assets in that bank. all poor and helpless shias should be given interestless loans to improve their standards of living if they want by widening better job oppotunities and business advancement by properly using such loans under the professional guidence of the shia bank. go ahead if you are really sincere with people. and if you are just political parrots then keep singing political songs by using any holy name you deem fit. do something real for people if you have little sympathy with people. you collect twenty percent ‘khoms’ from rich shias. use that money in building and constructing shias. and if your purpose is merely ‘parroting slogans’ then you are doing fine.

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